Billions of gallons of ethanol put in the gasoline but hand sanitizer sold out

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  1. M_Ranko

    M_Ranko Straight edge xXx

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    Has anyone here considered the possibilities of ammonia (NH3) as a fuel? It's not even science fiction, or anything new at this point, buses in WWII-era Belgium for example used ammonia as an emergency fuel, when diesel was in short supply, and mostly taken by the military for the war effort. There are also people in Canada for example who're actively proposing this idea, but don't seem to get any love from the people, who matter:



    If this is as good as it sounds, I'm definitely a believer.
     
  2. wilsjane

    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    NH-3 is a gas and one or the most hazardous substances on the planet. Although by far the most efficient refrigerants, with a COP value of around 4 in air freezers and up to 6 in air conditioning, it is only used rarely and in the largest of plants that have state of the art monitoring, isolation and shut down equipment.
    Back in the in the 1950's a leak in a capillary line leading to a gauge to monitor the temperature of the ice at an ice-rink in France killed more than 30 people and blinded several more.
    This happens because the gas has such a violent affinity for water, producing an alkali that is more powerful than caustic soda (NH-4 OH). In free air, this will absorb into the surface of your eyes and vacuoles of your lungs, destroying them instantly.
    If a jam-jar is filled with the gas and opened underwater, the inrush of water will shatter the jar. A demonstration of this is used during safety training for people working with ammonia.
    To make matters even worse, it reacts with copper, so a simple sealing ring or union could cause a pipe to fail. (this is what caused the accident in France).
    I cannot ever imagine it being approved as a fuel, since even a minor accident could cause multiple fatalities. In the UK. it's transport by road was banned many years ago.

    People tend to confuse the gas with the cleaner that is ammonium hydroxide, where all the gas is already absorbed into water at less than 1 part in 1,000 ammonia.
    A saturated, solution (specific gravity 0.880), will dissolve human flesh faster than ice in boiling water.

    The use of the gas has been looked at as an industrial fuel for large applications (such as power stations) in the past, but everyone ran for the hills. It was considered more dangerous than nuclear. Mainly in transport and storage.
     
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    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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    This document may give you some idea of the risks.

    http://bfff.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/04_Maurice-Young_SMARS_16052017.pdf
     
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    wilsjane Nutty Professor HipForums Supporter

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  5. You don't have to use hand sanitiser. Soap is just as good and even better to wash your hands with.
    But even the washing of hands won't prevent this virus.
    It's totally airborne and it's utterly gross.
     
  6. It's used in power plants for NOx abatement. First they vaporize it, then inject the vapor into the exhaust stream ahead of a massive set of catalyzing filters. Then, by some chemical magic at around 700F, the NOx is neutralized by 90%.

    They have ammonia detectors all over the equipment used for this since anyone walking into an invisible cloud of the stuff is likely to suffer lung injury or worse. I can't imagine using it as vehicle fuel. A bad enough accident and anyone who might have survived will be gassed.
     

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