Bill Maher gets in scuffle: but are the Conspiracy Theorists right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-f_YYEw-QI
- Bill PERSONALLY throws audience member out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoJJIYWMZlY
- Truthers (though corny) respond to Bill's belief that the planes were the only things that brought the towers down.

So what do YOU believe? Was it Al Qaeda? Was it only the planes? Were there actual bombs in the building? Or did new york crumble under the weight of Jigga's Blueprint dropping that day?

I know the government is shady, but I really don't think that they would kill that many American citizens just to go to war and make some money. I've seen too much evidence against the conspiracist than for it.

 

OJ did it.

 

You don't think the government would "kill that many people," when it's proven that they have openly written about it in Operation Northwoods, which is overstated though telling nevertheless. Besides, have you considered how many lives have been lost since 9/11, fighting these wars -- not just US deaths, but Iraqi and Afghani deaths, too? This, all in the name of an agenda which has absolutely nothing to do with "stopping terrorism," which is simply the cover story that has been sold to the public along with a steady diet of endless fear that "if we don't get them there, they're gonna get us here." Most of the public sees their leaders as ordinary people who think and feel just like them, but that's just not the case. A good majority of people who get to high positions of power (or presumed power) are often of the sociopathic mentality, and they can rationalize doing horrible things to people without feeling any guilt for it. These people don't need sleeping pills at night.

So no, I don't believe any of this nonsense they're trying to sell us about terrorism. It's clear who stands to gain from this, as it's clear that a few tag-tag "extremists" taking orders from a man living in a cave could not pull off the biggest, most spectacular terrorist event in US history, unless they were aided. To me, it's just laughable, and the story disintegrates under even the least amount of scrutiny.

I have no doubt the government carried out these attacks, as they have done in the past and will do again in the future. A person who thinks otherwise has a weak grasp on history and reality.

You have to understand, this isn't just about going to war and making money. The people at the top, WHO CONTROL THE POLITICIANS, could not care less about money since they control all wealth, as they print the money out of nothing. These people want power, and the politicians and what we believe are our "elected officials" are merely turncoats and frontmen for these elitists behind the scenes. Their plan is to completely restructure the Middle East, bringing them under the same fiat system which runs the West. In order to do this, they must create non-existent boogeyman to justify invading sovereign nations and killing innocent people to install puppet governments that are subservient to western interests. This goes hand in glove with the restructuring of America as a post-industrial police state modeled after the Soviet system.

So you really have a lot to learn if you think this is all about "making money."

 

I still think that you're wrong. I know that the government used 9/11 as an excuse for war and everything that happened after the attack. But I don't believe that they caused it. I have seen all those videos and videos refuting what the conspiracist say. And after looking at all that and doing my own research I have come to the conclusion that the attack was an act of terrorism by extremists.

I spent months being a conspiracy believer until I gathered all the information available to me and came to the conclusion that I have now.

 

How do you know they were "extremists" when all evidence proves otherwise? You're simply repeating what the media has told you. The so-called ringleader of the hijackers, Mohammed Atta, was a cokehead with a penchant for prostitutes. Several of the hijackers were allegedly at a strip club the night before the attacks getting drunk, which is highly unusual behavior for radical Islamist fundamentalists, let alone radical Islamist fundamentalists willing to die for Allah. They sound more like government agents to me, which would explain why several of the alleged hijackers have turned up alive in the Middle East, proclaiming they had nothing to do with the attacks. It would also explain why several of the hijackers were trained at the Pensacola Naval Air Station and had their credit cards paid for by the US government. The so-called hijackers have the word PATSY written all over them.

Obviously you have not done much research if you believe the so-called "hijackers" were fanatical Muslim extremists. Maybe you should go back and research a little more.

 

You gotta an excuse for everything don't you. Too bad you don't have any proof. I'm still leaning toward the fact that US had nothing to do with 9/11 b4 it happened.... And I have done plenty of research... How are you to know what radical Islamic fundamentalists are doing or what they do. I know a bunch of extremely religious folks who don't always follow every doctrine they are supposed to live by...

 

finally, someone sees the truth

 

Uh...then you still ARE a conspiracy believer. If you believe that 19 foreign arabs utilizing box-cutters, under the direction of Osama Bin Forgotten (from a distant cave), managed to hijack 4 planes, out-foxing the entire Military Industrial Complex, successfully completing their mission, then you believe in at least one conspiracy theory. Granted, the official conspiracy theory, but a conspiracy theory nonetheless. And if you examine the evidence from a practical and objective standpoint, you come to understand that the official conspiracy theory is an extraordinarily outlandish and scientifically implausible one, which is why the 9/11 truth movement (now) numbers in the tens of millions across the globe.

Please stop watching online movies and pick up a book entitled "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by author David Ray Griffin.

 

You have no doubt? So it's scientifically sound for you? Though not one professional structural engineer agrees with the CT'S assertion? Is 3,000 innocent deaths laughable to you? What is reality?

You know Pressed_Rat. I know people have a belief driven by hate rather then proof. But you are seriously delusional.

Number 1.) I will refute your northwoods assertion you got from loosechange second edition.

A.) If 9/11 was actually connected to northwoods, why release it to the public?

The only thing Loose change managed to do was describe northwoods they did not in anyway make an effort to connect the two events. Moreover, northwoods was mainly about blowing up dorne aircraft from the sky to commit a flase flag operation. Also, no one was to die in this fake terror plot. On 9/11 the terrorist used the planes as weapons and killed nearly 3,000 people. I guess were to believe, Pressed_Rat, that the government refuses a plan to fake civilan deaths as evidence that they intend to actually kill citizens. Also important to remember is after the bay of pigs fiasco, operation northwoods was not welcomed in the whitehouse.

You're next assertions.

That is not evidence that points to they didn't do it. That is evidence that points to they were hypocrites that did it. See, they could have been hypocrites who flew jets into the world trade center. That's just a matter of what "you believe" it's not evidence that they didn't commit 9/11. Can you prove they were actually government agents? Think about you're logic here. You're saying they were CIA agents. Next you're saying you expect us to believe they blew their secert cover of being dead to simply reveal themselves to the BBC news in 2001 for the world to find out? You expect people to follow that logic? Tell me are you a muslim? It's a yes or no question.

The confusion over names and identities reported back in 2001 arisen because they were common Arabic and Islamic names. The BBC retracted those claims.

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/index.php?title=Hijackers

The highjackers have all been comfirmed dead. You're gonna need a new argument.

There is something odd about you're offical story because it lacks proof. And It was alledged by new sources a few days after the attacks that 3 of the 19 terriorist were trained at Pensacola Naval Air Station it was not offically proven. The Officials stressed that the name matches may not necessarily mean the students were the hijackers because of discrepancies in ages in other personal data. Some of the FBI suspects had names similar to those used by foreign alumni of U.S. military courses, according to Air Force in a statement. And discrepancies in their biographical data, such as birth dates 20 years off, indicate we are not talking about the same people. After talking to the Air Force spokesmen Newsweek, the Washington Post, and Knight Ridder all dropped the incorrect story. Again you are factless. One other thing you need to remember is this... It is also not unusual for foreign nationals to train at U.S. military facilities.

It apparently doesn't even register on your mental radar that atta attended Al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan, or leased an apartment in Hamburg where notorious terrorists lived in or visited all the time. To Pressed_Rat, it's irrelevant that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed hung out with Atta, or that Atta made a martyrdom tape, but it's very significant that Atta was a rum & coke and strip club man! After all, If you're going to blow yourself up I can't imagine why visting a strip club or rum and coke wouldn't be a thought. It's not like a priest would fuck little boys or anything. It's not like an Islamic sect of Hassassians drank wine before a kill. No, of course not, you're 100% correct. It's not like according to Islam muslims aren't suppose to rape except they do and get away with it. Please explain to me why jihadis use cameras, videos, and display pictures when according to The Lawful and the Prohibited in Islam and the Dar-ul uloom sources, four clerics have ruled that photography, including clicking someone’s picture and posing for a picture, is illegal under the Shariat. Now explain why all those millions of jihadis don't follow those islamic rules. According to your logic, it would be suspect for them to even carry ID. It's not like they had to fit in or anything. You know ted bundy was said to be a real nice likeable, normal, and kind guy when in the publics eye.

 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/911myths/4220582.html

Just a suggestion... But ummm, would anyone watch this? I seriously doubt anyone on here would besides myself.

It's just another elite plot after all.

Does anyone want debunk videos? I have a few of them.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6243624912447824934&q=screwloosechange&total=37&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

Here is: Screw 9/11 mysteries.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3214024953129565561&q=screwloosechange&total=37&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=5

Here is: Screwloosechange not freakin' again edition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhf4BuUP_zQ&mode=related&search=

^ Here is a pentagon quick bonus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKxE6UqeVpU&mode=related&search=
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYYfahSy5kE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQfEu7N7brk

Loosechange guys debate mark roberts.

These kids get murdered. Don't mess with a man who has read 10,000 pages of the NIST report.

Any readers? I've got alot. Since I've read alot.

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
http://911myths.com/Sulfur.pdf
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/introduction

 

Hey Gravity, how bout opening up your ears and listening to THIS one:
(it's only about 20 minutes)

http://www.apfn.net/pogo/A003I060823-am-c3.MP3

 

First of all, I don't know what Northwoods has to do with Loose Change, since Northwoods was known about long before Loose Change came out. What the Northwoods document proves is that people within the US government have seriously considered, on paper, murdering US citizens -- using a very similar scenario to what likely went down on 9/11 -- as a pretext for war. Whether it was implemented or not is not the point. The point is that the government openly wrote about this, so to all those who are too naive and think "their own government" would never consider such a thing, well, here's written proof they've considered it. They likely would have went through with it, too, if Kennedy hadn't put his foot down, and it makes sense that he would be dead only a few months later. Also, the government didn't simply just come out with this document. It was discovered by author James Bamford, who first broke the Northwoods story in his book, Body of Secrets. You automatically associate it with Loose Change because it's likely the only research into 9/11 you've done, with the exception of watching internet movies that claim to "debunk" the non-official conspiracy.

Northwoods really doesn't mean that much to me because all one really has to do is look back on history -- whether it's the attack on Pearl Harbor, the attack on the USS Liberty, or the Oklahoma City bombing -- to see that this is nothing new and that governments have been waging war against "their own people" for centuries. Anyone who thinks that "their own government" would never do such a thing, doesn't understand how governments work, let alone the fact that none of the people in the government represent the American people, but the people who own this country -- most of whom are not American. The same government that you don't think would ever harm its own people has been admitedly behind the sterilization of women without their consent, biological and chemical experiments on US citizens, and mind control experiments on US citizens. This is all well documented and admitted, and it's ongoing.

I could argue about 9/11 with people until I am blue in the face. Quite frankly, it doesn't interest me that much because people should have been awake long before this. 9/11 simply marked a quickening in their agenda and an excuse to re-engineer society into the Soviet-style police state which is now beginning to rear its ugly head. Anyone who cannot see what's going on isn't worth arguing with because they more that likely don't have the brain capacity to deal with the things that would entail pulling their heads out of the sand.

 

It's so bewildering to me how someone can say something so elegantly and soberly as you did above yet still entertain the notion that no airplanes hit the twin towers on 9/11. If you really are disinfo, you've certainly mastered your craft, pressed rat.

 

Um, yeah, the government pays me to infiltrate a forum that receives an average of four posts per day. That makes a lot of sense.

As far as NO planes hitting the towers, I don't necessarily entertain that idea. I simply don't believe the planes that they told us hit are that ones that did hit. This isn't an unfounded belief because the video footage is rife with anomalies (which could also very well be deliberate), and the various live shots contradict one another.

How exactly is it irrational of me to ask questions about why we see the wing of the plane overlapping the edge of the building as it makes impact, or how an aluminum plane flying at 500 mph can slice through a steel building and come out the other side with the fiberglass nose cone still intact? How is it irrational to ask why live TV footage from different networks, shooting from approximately the same angle capture two very different approaches of the plane (Flight 175)? Why in one shot do we see the plane making a diving approach, and in the other we see it coming straight in?

Also, keep in mind that not every eyewitness reported seeing a Boeing 767 hitting the buildings. Some people reported what looked to be a grayish-colored military plane, some reported they saw a missile, and some reported seeing nothing and all (just the fireball). It's just that the MEDIA focused only on the people parroting the "official" story of 767's hitting, and there is strong reason to believe that many of the so-called "eyewitnesses" were government plants paid to tow what would become the "official" line. Many people who might have been initially unsure of what they saw perhaps could have begun to repeat the official word on the street, which was being sold by the media almost instantly.

 

Seeing how loosechange used northwoods in their video it had alot to do with the situation because you tried to do the exact same thing here. No US clivilians in the northwoods operation were called to be murdered. None of the locations in northwoods are the same as on 9/11. And after the bay of pigs fiasco, operation northwoods was not welcomed in the whitehouse. There is no logical connection. Nothing about the two scenarios are similar. I thought I made this very clear. lastly, that is the point. You tried to implament as if the two related similarly. They don't. Thus, no logical connection or proof of a pretext for war between the two events.

Ok, see now you're arguing northwoods. I'm not debating Northwoods authenticity. What I refuted was your connetion of northwoods to 9/11. You can invoke a diatribe until you're blue in the face it won't change the fact their is no connection. I like how you said Considered northwoods. I'll get to that in the next section of fallacies.

No, I've read the actual document, I've done the research. I simplely suggested where you might have got the info. And I don't think I'm wrong at all. It seems to me do to experience with you people the only ones who add northwoods to 9/11 are followers of loosechange. Because you try to connect it just like they did. But failed horribly just like they did.

You're arguing northwoods for noreason. it's irrelvant to the 9/11 situation on all accounts. 9/11 was carried out, North woods was not carried out. Even hypotheitically if northwoods was carried out it wouldn't matter because after the bay of pigs fiasco, operation northwoods was not welcomed in the whitehouse. Also You're whole argument is past irrelevent events that have no connection to 9/11 have happend in the past therefore 9/11 is an inside job. You are a illogical mess with no proof.

This again has no connection or foundation of proof of an inside job on 9/11.
It's nothing more than a Fallacy of emotion, straw man, and a attempt at red herring, as well. You also left out the Gulf of tonkin. The Iraqi exocet missile attack on the USS Stark. The sinking of the Titanic. Not to mention, a electronic cure for Aids being surpressed by the AMA and All of which have no connection or suggest proof of a inside job on 9/11.

See this is the part of the argument where you want me to argue the three assertions you just made. If I did we wouldn't be talking about the subject any longer instead we'd be talking about those three assertions mentioned.

And those arguments would look like this...

- A Better question to ask is what international agenda was sought after Oklahoma City bombing, USS Liberty?

- How was Pearl harbor a flase flag when the japanese infact carried it out?


FYI: And do not for get none of those attacks were in any way shape or form carried out similar to 9/11.

You're just making Straw man arguments at this point.

The argument is not would american harm it's own people. The subject is infact did bush as you claim to believe carry out 9/11.

More appeal to emotion. more browbeating. More alarmist fear mongering.

Ok, you know all about government everyone else is stupidier than you though you can't make the connection nor provide proof with any of those historic talking points to 9/11 but your lack of logic, no proof, and diatribes should be enough for me to believe 9/11 was a inside job? Problem is none of that is a connection or proof 9/11 was a inside job. Very good, you've proved your point, which is nothing yet once again about 9/11.

I'm also not going to sink to a CT'S level and lie about 9/11. That is the difference between a man with honest integrity for truth and a man on an emotional psychosis for truth.

I think everyone is a wake but they don't lose their sanity in time of crisis. I take it we are done with the 9/11 conversation? Then answer me this, are you a muslim? It's a yes or no question.

 

Am I a Muslim? No. Are you a redneck?

And who said Bush carried out the attacks? Bush makes NO decisions himself. I doubt he can even tie his shoe. The man is a puppet and has very little power other than figuratively. Black ops are carried out by the highest levels of the shadow government, though I have no doubt Bush was aware of the attacks before they occured, as well as others in his administration.

Loose Change has nothing to do with the Northwoods document, and it was mentioned in relation to 9/11 long before Loose Change came out. Loose Change didn't feature any new information that wasn't already known to people who question the official government lie.

You dodge the argument by making claims about how Northwoods called for nobody to be murdered. OK, so they didn't use that word. But what happens when you blow up a ship or shoot down a plane, as called for in the document?

I really could not care less what you believe about anything, nor do I feel like arguing with people I feel don't want the truth. You can believe the world is flat for all I care.

 

Hey Gravity, you conveniently glossed over MY remark to you about the audio feed I provided a link for. I can't say I'm surprised.

And no, Bush did not carry out 9/11 as you so stupidly accuse truthers of saying. The Bush administration, it's Pentagon, as well as the intelligence agencies are the ones who planned, organized, and executed the attack. The corporate media covered it up and to this day still covers it up.

Now Rat, there's a difference between claiming that "no planes" hit the towers versus "something other than flights 11 and 175 hit the towers". I can reasonably go along with the latter. The former? Intentional disinfo. Period.

 

It's a question. Just answer it. or don't. Nope not a redneck.

Oh scary the shadow government. Bush was aware? I don't think so.

According to you he can't tie his own shoes laces without tripping.

Yes they do. Loosechange second edition. It wasn't a lie, you're the lie.

Infact, I just caught you in another lie.

There was never anything about shooting down a plane. Only destorying unmanned drones so I would suppose noone dies wouldn't you? That is the second time I've had to explain that to you.

The world is without question round. We can agree here.

 

Gravity, you're like a literal cartoon character! LOL

 

here's a question: what the fuck does it matter you all?

IF the government brought the towers down, they've already gotten away with it. Those people will be out of power in a year or so, there's no WAY you could convince any majority of people to believe it was a conspiracy before then, so this argument is completely fucking pointless.

If Bush knocked down the towers, he wouldn't be held accountable for it any more than he will be held accountable for and of the other horrible things he has actually done.

Focus your energy on a problem that can be solved, not something pointless, stupid, and in the past. NONE of you are remotely qualified to assess any of this advanced level engineering data anyway. It's like watching ants argue about how a television works even though (a) they have no idea and (b) the answer is useless to them even if they figure it out.