Biblical Numbers

I don't know where would be best to ask this but, what is the nyumber for the devil? (and the first idiot to say 666 gets a bitchslap)

 

well ther are many theories of what the acctual numbr means...many scholars think it is a Word Game in which the leters of the roman alphabet are each given a number value, and when added, will give you a larger value etc...so they think it acctually is the name of the beast or somethign...

NOW these scholars also do not take Revelations literally, so they think it is John warning early Christians to stop worshiping the eporors of Imperial Rome...sooo, the 7 headed beast according to this way of thinking is past eporors, and the number, is the name of one of them...

HOWEVER what lots of people dont know, is that an early manuscript for John Revelations was found, and the number was different...either 696 [which coincidentally is the oldest man in the Bible] or maybe it was 669 [doesnt matter in the end]...if you take the name Nero, and use the numers accordin to the letters, you ge the "new" number of the beast....*sigh*..

 

Six is the number of fallen man.

 

oops, I was about to say 666. (seriously)

hmm...maybe 5?

 

616, i do believe. maybe 606... definitely not 666.

 

why does the devil have a number? Whats god's number then?

 

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666 Wrong Number of Prophetic Beast?
By Special Report
May 14, 2005, 21:36

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Newly examined Scripture fragment lends credence to argument it's 616

For centuries, people have been intrigued by the number 666, the "number of the beast" from the Book of Revelation in the New Testament.

Not only is it mentioned in the Bible, it has been associated with the Satanism, universal price codes and the game of roulette, as the numbers on the wheel add up to 666.

Now, the legendary number is getting a fresh look, as researchers are re-examining evidence the number may actually be 616.



In the King James Version of the Bible, the well-known verse of Revelation 13:18 reads:

"Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

While many Bible have footnotes saying the number translated from the original Greek could be 616, experts say new photographic evidence of an ancient fragment of papyrus from Revelation indeed indicates the number is indeed 616, instead of 666.

Scholars in England have been using modern technology to scour some 400,000 bits of papyri which were originally discovered in 1895 at a dump outside the ancient Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Many of the sections have been damaged and discolored, but an imaging process is shedding new light on the sacred text, believed to have originally been penned by John, one of Jesus' 12 apostles.

"This is a very nice piece to find," Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, told Canada's National Post. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."

The papyrus in the spotlight is believed to be from about 300 A.D.

"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."

The main researcher promoting the 616 claim is David Parker, professor of New Testament Textual Criticism and Paleography at the University of Birmingham in England.

"This is an example of gematria, where numbers are based on the numerical values of letters in people's names," Parker told the UK's Independent. "Early Christians would use numbers to hide the identity of people who they were attacking: 616 refers to the Emperor Caligula."

Many commentators have gone with later copies of text which assign the number 666 to "the beast," believed by some to be the End-time world power.

Some have also linked 666 with Nero, the ancient Roman emperor known for persecuting Christians.

Parker points out the possibility of 616 was considered by the second century church father Irenaeus, who rejected it.

Regarding this new text, Parker told Britain's Church Times, "This adds weight to those who believe that it is a reference to Caligula's attempt to desecrate the Temple in Jerusalem, by having his statue erected there as part of the cult of emperor worship.

"There may be a reference to it in Mark [13:14], where he refers to the 'the abomination of desolation.' But this was overlaid by the Neronian persecutions. People believed that you could get from '666' to Nero because in Greek he is the emperor Neron Caesar. And 666 is one number less than the perfect 777. The text [showing 616] is quite legible to the naked eye. It was published in 1999, but it has taken people time to catch up."

The National Post quotes Elijah Dan, professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, as saying the new number won't likely have an impact in the popularity of 666. "Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it. It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44169

 

7 because 7 is a complete number.....

 

yea about that whole 666 number - in the Bible (or at least the version I studied) 666 represents the 666th creature created, becoming the Devil. That's a good article posted, crummyrummy - there are studies showing now that 666 isn't actually the number, but it's somewhere in that ballpark...

 

ahhh...but 666 [or whatever it ends up being] is also the number of a man too...

 

Why is 7 complete? And if god is complete also then how come he did not create the earth as complete?

 

ok, man's number is 6 (made on the 6th day, perhaps?), while god is 7 (the 7th day is god's day?) I've also heard it that the devil is associated with 6, as he falls short of true divinity. This, I believe, comes from the fact that Satan, or really Lucifer (meaning bringer of light), was associated with the Morning Star (venus) which would show up just before sunrise, as if to bring the light. Somehow it got all mixed up with pride, maybe Venus thought it was the sun, or tried to be...

Maybe man and Satan both share the number 6 because both live in the world, Satan cast down, man trying to get up (to god, 7).

I think the question is, why is 7 God's number? Here's my theory. There are around 28 days in the moon's cycle. Divide that by 4 (the 4 main phases of the moon, or the 4 directions, maybe) and you get 7.

 

1337

 

the number cannot be accumulated...it is THE number of A man...666 [or whatever]

 

Hebrew "numbers" are letters. There's a whole occult science devoted to playing numeric games with the fact that the numeric system in Hebrew is also the letter system.

"Let him who hath understanding" == let he who understands the cipher understand I'm doing numerology with a Roman name,

 

i know of the number game...but what i meant by what i just posted was like...

it has a 6 cause it is the number of man cause man was created on the 6th day...

but it sayds that this is the nuber of a man, not just man in general

 

The relation of 666 to Satan is due impart by the fact that the Bible states that this man we shall come to know as the Antichrist, will possess the spirit of satan (as opposed to those whom possess the Spirit of Jesus Christ). The numbers themself have absolutely nothing to do with Satan, rather the fallen nature of man.

Many people have associated this deciphered numbers with the Pope's tiara - "Vicarius Filii Dei" (Latin for "Vicar of the son of God")

V -5
I- 1
C -100
A
R
I - 1
V -5
S
F
I - 1
L -50
I - 1
I - 1
D - 500
E
I - 1
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= 666

(Note that a U is the equivalent of a V in Roman numerals.)

However (because I am quite aware that someone will point out the failure in that logic), we are already aware of the other descriptions the Bible gives us as clues to the indentity of the False Prophet.

 

Interesting discussion guys!

And CrummyCrummy, that's an interesting article you've stumbled apon.

The other theories (?) you've come up with are also very intriguing.

 

"Many think of computer chips when they think of the mark, but what if the mark turns out to be a sort of dynastic ‘brand’: that is, an affiliation to a ‘ruling family’? Forget parties - the family is in. Why would I suggest a ‘family’ or a ‘family name’? Let us not forget to remember that John came from a people with much different definitions than our own. What is ‘the number of a man’ in terms of old world definitions? How did they number a man? For one, they numbered a man by his genealogical pedigree: or the line of his ancestry. Such thinking was still evident in the New Testament, when Matthew numbered Jesus at fourteen generations. For another, men were numbered by their sons and grandsons - and the whole long list of men that made up that clan within the tribe. I will point to one man that was so numbered in the Old Testament. Might his name be somehow relevant?"

KJV Ezra 2:13

13. The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty six.

 

I would bet on 13, for a bunch of reasons. It is the most feared number, so much so that the 13th storey of a building isn't even called that. It is still there, though, so I don't know who they are hoping to fool... God? It is the number of lunar months in a year, and though it would make a much more logical calendar if we had 13 4 week months of 28 days each, all equal and simple as it is, is not embraced as such. The 13 people at the last supper is often mentioned, and even the Dec. 21, 2012 Mayan date in their number system is 13.0.0.0.0. Many say that 13 is part of the earths resonance frequency along with 20, and if so, and the material world is ruled by Satan, then that is apt. I have 13's in my life in abundance, and the more I look the more I find. There are even 13 cards in each of the 4 suits in a deck of cards. And Friday the 13th is another feared 13.
I like 13 a lot, so I hope its not bad, and doubt it is. I feel that if 13 is the devils number, then the devil is actually the good guy, and just like the bible says, the masses are being conned....
I remember when I turned 13..... I was very happy.... a teenager at last... let the fun begin... and it did....