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    BENGHAZI BY THE NUMBERS

    Unlimited budget granted to the Benghazi committee.

    10 committees that have participated in Benghazi investigations

    Number of witnesses testifying on Benghazi 171

    Number of questions asked in public hearings on Benghazi 2,780

    Number of hearings conducted on Benghazi 32

    Number of pages in published reports on Benghazi 769

    Number of investigations to find evidence of a stand down order ZERO

    Number of investigations that have found administration wrongdoing ZERO

    Estimated cost of Benghazi Select committee investigations $6 million

    Approximate total salary expenditures in 2014 for Benghazi select committee staff $1.35 million

    Number of pages of documents provided by the State department for committee review 40,000

    http://correctrecord.org/benghazi-by-the-numbers/
     
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    959: Number of days since the beginning of the ongoing investigation into the tragedy in Benghazi, and there is no end yet in sight. [As of 4/28/15]
    10: Number of congressional committees that have participated in Benghazi investigations.
    32: Number of congressional hearings, public or private, held on the Benghazi tragedy according to publicly available hearing transcripts, congressional reports, and committee websites and fact sheets.
    54: Approximate number of hours spent to date in publicly available hearings about the tragedy in Benghazi.
    2,780: Number of questions asked in public hearings held on the Benghazi tragedy.
    171: Approximate number of witness appearances before House and Senate committees and staff for hearings, briefings, and interviews according to available congressional reports, hearing transcripts, declassified briefing transcripts, committee websites, and fact sheets.
    10: Number of published reports on the Benghazi attacks and subsequent investigations.
    769: Number of pages in published reports on the Benghazi attacks and investigations.
    29: Number of recommendations issued by the Accountability Review Board and accepted by the State Department to ensure the security of American diplomats serving abroad.
    0: Number of investigations that have found any administration wrongdoing related to the Benghazi tragedy.
    0: Number of investigations to find evidence of an intelligence failure leading to the Benghazi tragedy.
    0: Number of investigations to find evidence of a stand down order.
    Unlimited: Budget granted to the Benghazi Select Committee by the Republican controlled House of Representatives.
    $1.8 Million: Approximate cost of the Benghazi Select Committee in 2014.
    $2.5 Million: Approximate cost of the Benghazi Select Committee in its first 10 months.
    $6 Million: Estimated minimum cost of the Benghazi Select Committee investigation at its current rate.
    $8,000: Estimated daily cost of the Benghazi Select Committee investigation at its current rate.
    $700 Million: State Department operational funding threatened by Republicans if officials do not give in to the ongoing “sham investigation.”
    3: Number of public hearings held by the Benghazi Select Committee since its formation in May 2014.
    $1.35 Million: Approximate total salary expenditures in 2014 for Benghazi Select Committee staff.
    29: Number of professional staff members who have worked on the Benghazi Select Committee according to Legistorm.
    40,000: Approximate number of pages of documents provided by the State Department for Select Committee review.
    300: Approximate number of Secretary Clinton’s emails related to Benghazi and provided to the Select Committee.
    900: Approximate number of pages of Secretary Clinton’s emails provided to the Select Committee.
    20: Approximate number witnesses brought in for interviews with the Select Committee to date.
     
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    40-50: Number of interviews planned by the Select Committee with members of the Obama administration, including officials who have previously testified, delivered briefings, or been interviewed by other committees.
    5: Number of months Secretary Clinton has been waiting to testify in an open, public hearing before the Select Committee on the tragedy in Benghazi and her email use.
    136: Number of written questions posed by Benghazi Select Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy in a letter to Secretary Clinton’s attorney.
    • 8: Number of questions, out of 136 posed by the Select Committee in a letter to Secretary Clinton, directly related to the tragedy in Benghazi.
    2016: Year the Select Committee suggested it would release a final report, which would make it the longest congressional investigation in U.S. history, and ensuring the investigation continues well into the presidential campaign cycle.


    BENGHAZI: BY THE NUMBERS
    959: Number of days since the beginning of the ongoing investigation into the tragedy in Benghazi, and there is no end yet in sight. [As of 4/28/15]

    COMMITTEES
    10: Number of congressional committees that have participated in Benghazi investigations.
    • House Committee on the Judiciary. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13]
    • House Committee on Armed Services. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. [Interim Progress Report on Benghazi Investigation, 4/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs. [Flashing Red: A Special Report on the Terrorist Attack at Benghazi, 12/20/12]
    • Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. [Senate Intelligence Committee press release, 10/25/12]
    • Senate Committee on Foreign Relations. [Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned, 1/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Armed Services. [Attack on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, 2/7/13]
    • The Select Committee on Benghazi. [Select Committee on Benghazi, accessed 3/24/15]
     
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    HEARINGS
    32: Number of congressional hearings, public or private, held on the Benghazi tragedy according to publicly available hearing transcripts, congressional reports, and committee websites and fact sheets.
    • Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs hearing, Homeland Threats and Agency Responses held 9/19/12. [Homeland Threats and Agency Responses, 9/19/12]
    • House Committee on Armed Services hearing, Full Committee Hearing on the Attack in Benghazi held 9/19/12. [Fact Sheet: HASC Oversight Activities on Libya, armedservices.house.gov, accessed 4/13/15]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, The Security Failures of Benghazi held 10/10/12. [The Security Failures of Benghazi, 10/10/12]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi and Beyond: What Went Wrong on September 11, 2012 and How to Prevent it from Happening at other Frontline Posts, Part I held 11/15/12. [Benghazi and Beyond: What Went Wrong on September 11, 2012 and How to Prevent it from Happening at other Frontline Posts, Part I, 11/15/12]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing with DNI Clapper, ADCIA Morell, D/NCTC Olsen, and Under Secretary Kennedy held 11/15/12. [Investigative Report on the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 7, footnote 11, 11/21/14]
    • Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Hearing on the Attacks in Benghazi held 11/15/12. [Senate Intelligence Committee press release, 10/25/12, SSCI Review of the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 3, footnote 4, 1/15/14]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing on Benghazi held 11/16/12. [Investigative Report on the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 25, footnote 131, 11/21/14]
    • Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Hearing With General David Petraeus Re: His Knowledge of the Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya held 11/16/12. [SSCI Review of the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, Additional Majority Views, pg. 3, footnote 143, 1/15/14]
    • Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Hearing on Security Issues at Benghazi and Threats to U.S. Intelligence and Diplomatic Personnel and Facilities Worldwide Since the Attack held 12/4/12. [SSCI Review of the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 6, footnote 18, 1/15/14]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee classified hearing on efforts to find the Benghazi attackers held 12/13/12. [House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Investigation into the Benghazi Terrorist Attacks Timeline of Investigation to date, no. 34, 12/04/14]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi Attack, Part II: The Report of the Accountability Review Board held 12/20/12. [Benghazi Attack, Part II: The Report of the Accountability Review Board, 12/20/12]
    • Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing, Benghazi: The Attack and the Lessons Learned held 12/20/12. [Benghazi: The Attack and the Lessons Learned, 12/20/12]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Terrorist Attack in Benghazi: The Secretary of State’s View held 1/23/13. [Terrorist Attack in Benghazi: The Secretary of State’s View, 1/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing with Secretary Clinton, Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned held 1/23/13. [Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned, 1/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Armed Services hearing, Department Of Defense’s Response To The Attack On U.S. Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, And The Findings Of Its Internal Review Following The Attack held 2/7/13. [Department Of Defense’s Response To The Attack On U.S. Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, And The Findings Of Its Internal Review Following The Attack, 2/7/13]
    • House Committee on Armed Services hearing, The Posture of the U.S. European Command and U.S. Africa Command held 3/15/13. [“HASC Committee Oversight of Benghazi Attack,” HASC website, accessed 4/21/15]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Securing U.S. Interests Abroad: The FY 2014 Foreign Affairs Budget held 4/17/13. [“Investigation of Benghazi,” gop.gov, accessed 4/13/15]
    • House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform hearing, Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage held 5/8/13. [Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage, 5/8/13]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing with CIA’s former Chief of Benghazi Base held 5/22/13. [Investigative Report on the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 14, footnote 70, 11/21/14]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing with Deputy CIA Director Michael Morell held 5/22/13. [Investigative Report on the Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Facilities in Benghazi, Libya, September 11-12, 2012, pg. 16, footnote 83, 11/21/14]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing on Benghazi Investigation held 6/14/13. [House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Investigation into the Benghazi Terrorist Attacks Timeline of Investigation to date, no. 63, 12/04/14]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs Subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Trade, and Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa joint hearing, The Terrorist Threat in North Africa: Before and After Benghazi held 7/10/13. [The Terrorist Threat in North Africa: Before and After Benghazi, 7/10/13]
     
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    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing with DCIA Brennan held 7/25/13. [House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Investigation into the Benghazi Terrorist Attacks Timeline of Investigation to date, no. 70, 12/04/14]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, Full Committee Hearing on Benghazi Investigation held 9/12/13. [House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) Investigation into the Benghazi Terrorist Attacks Timeline of Investigation to date, no. 74, 12/04/14]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability? held 9/18/13. [Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability?, 9/18/13]
    • House Armed Services Subcommittee on Oversights and Investigations hearing, Defense Department’s Posture for September 11, 2013: What are the Lessons of Benghazi? held 9/19/13. [Defense Department’s Posture for September 11, 2013: What are the Lessons of Benghazi?, 9/19/13]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, Reviews of the Benghazi Attack and Unanswered Questions held 9/19/13. [Reviews of the Benghazi Attack and Unanswered Questions, 9/19/13]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, The Benghazi Talking Points and Michael J. Morell’s Role in Shaping the Administration’s Narrative held 4/2/15. [The Benghazi Talking Points and Michael J. Morell’s Role in Shaping the Administration’s Narrative, 4/2/14]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, Benghazi, Instability, and a New Government: Successes and Failures of U.S. Intervention in Libya held 5/1/14. [Benghazi, Instability, and a New Government: Successes and Failures of U.S. Intervention in Libya, 5/1/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Implementation of the Accountability Review Board Recommendations held 9/17/14. [Implementation of the Accountability Review Board Recommendations, 9/17/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Reviewing Efforts to Secure U.S. Diplomatic Facilities and Personnel held 12/10/14. [Reviewing Efforts to Secure U.S. Diplomatic Facilities and Personnel, 12/10/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Status Review of Outstanding Requests held 1/27/15. [Status Review of Outstanding Requests, 1/27/15]
     
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    54: Approximate number of hours spent to date in publicly available hearings about the tragedy in Benghazi.
    • Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Government Affairs hearing, Homeland Threats and Agency Responses lasted approximately 1:51:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:04 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 11:55 p.m. [sic].” [Homeland Threats and Agency Responses, 9/19/12]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, The Security Failures of Benghazi lasted approximately 4:08:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to call, at 12:05 p.m.,” and adjourned “at 4:14 p.m.” [The Security Failures of Benghazi, 10/10/12]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi and Beyond: What Went Wrong on September 11, 2012 and How to Prevent it from Happening at other Frontline Posts, Part I lasted approximately 3:03:00. According to the hearing minutes, the committee met from 10:05 a.m. to 1:08 p.m. [Benghazi and Beyond: What Went Wrong on September 11, 2012 and How to Prevent it from Happening at other Frontline Posts, Part I, pg. 91, 11/15/12]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi Attack, Part II: The Report of the Accountability Review Board lasted approximately 2:55:00. According to the hearing minutes, the committee met from 1:00 p.m. to 4:45 pm, including a 50 minute recess from 2:40 p.m. to 3:30 p.m. [Benghazi Attack, Part II: The Report of the Accountability Review Board, pg. 63, 12/20/12]
    • Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing, Benghazi: The Attack and the Lessons Learned lasted approximately 1:43:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to notice, at 8:03 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 9:46 a.m.” [Benghazi: The Attack and the Lessons Learned, 12/20/12]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Terrorist Attack in Benghazi: The Secretary of State’s View lasted approximately 3:01:00. According to the hearing minutes, the committee met from 2:02 p.m. to 5:03 p.m. [Terrorist Attack in Benghazi: The Secretary of State’s View, 1/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Foreign Relations hearing with Secretary Clinton, Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned lasted approximately 2:32:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to notice, at 9:03 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 11:35 a.m.” [Benghazi: The Attacks and the Lessons Learned, 1/23/13]
    • Senate Committee on Armed Services hearing, Department Of Defense’s Response To The Attack On U.S. Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, And The Findings Of Its Internal Review Following The Attack lasted approximately 4:10:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to notice, at 10:05 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 2:26 p.m.” and included a “recess from 1:25 p.m. to 1:36 p.m.” [Department Of Defense’s Response To The Attack On U.S. Facilities In Benghazi, Libya, And The Findings Of Its Internal Review Following The Attack, 2/7/13]
    • House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform hearing, Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage lasted approximately 5:35:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to call, at 11:30 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 5:15 p.m.” and included a recess of “about 10 minutes.” [Benghazi: Exposing Failure and Recognizing Courage, 5/8/13]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs, subcommittee on Terrorism, Nonproliferation, and Trade, and Subcommittee on the Middle East and North Africa joint hearing, The Terrorist Threat in North Africa: Before and After Benghazi lasted approximately 1:45:00. According to the hearing minutes, the committee met from 10:05 a.m. to 11:50 a.m. [The Terrorist Threat in North Africa: Before and After Benghazi, pg. 67, 7/10/13]
    • House Committee on Foreign Affairs hearing, Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability? Lasted approximately 2:37:00. According to the hearing minutes, the committee met from 10:12 a.m. to 12:49 p.m. [Benghazi: Where is the State Department Accountability?, pg. 81, 9/18/13]
    • House Armed Services Committee, Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations hearing, Defense Department’s Posture for September 11, 2013: What are the Lessons of Benghazi? Lasted approximately 1:04:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the subcommittee met pursuant to call, at 4:00 p.m.,” and adjourned “at 5:40 p.m.” to proceed in a closed session. [Defense Department’s Posture for September 11, 2013: What are the Lessons of Benghazi?, 9/19/13]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, Reviews of the Benghazi Attack and Unanswered Questionslasted approximately 5:37:39. According to the three part video recording of the hearing, part 1 runs from 00:00:16 to completion at 2:37:17, part 2 runs from 00:00:00 to 2:09:42, and part 3 runs from 00:1:46 to 00:52:42. [Reviews of the Benghazi Attack and Unanswered Questions, 9/19/13]
    • House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence hearing, The Benghazi Talking Points and Michael J. Morell’s Role in Shaping the Administration’s Narrative lasted approximately 3:04:27. According to the CSPAN recording of the hearing, the video runs from 00:00:30 to 3:04:57. [The Benghazi Talking Points and Michael J. Morell’s Role in Shaping the Administration’s Narrative, 4/2/14]
    • House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform hearing, Benghazi, Instability, and a New Government: Successes and Failures of U.S. Intervention in Libya lasted approximately 2:57:13. According to the CSPAN recording of the hearing, the video runs from 00:00:35 to 1:48:45, and from 1:49:21 to 2:58:24. [Benghazi, Instability, and a New Government: Successes and Failures of U.S. Intervention in Libya, 5/1/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Implementation of the Accountability Review Board Recommendations lasted approximately 2:48:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met pursuant to call, at 10:02 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 12:50 p.m.” [Implementation of the Accountability Review Board Recommendations, 9/17/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Reviewing Efforts to Secure U.S. Diplomatic Facilities and Personnel lasted approximately 2:36:20. According to the CSPAN recording of the hearing, the video runs from 00:00:13 to 2:36:33. [Reviewing Efforts to Secure U.S. Diplomatic Facilities and Personnel, 12/10/14]
    • House Select Committee on Benghazi hearing, Status Review of Outstanding Requests lasted approximately 2:20:00. According to the hearing transcript, “the committee met, pursuant to call, at 10:31 a.m.,” and adjourned “at 12:51 p.m.” [Status Review of Outstanding Requests, 1/27/15]
     
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    The republicans say they are doing this to find out what happened to the four dead Americans.

    Between 2000 and 2010.... 335,609 people have died from gun violence.....number of congressional hearings....ZERO
     
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    I've had too much to drink to read all of that info, but hot damn do I appreciate that you've congregated it all here!

    It's just so damn bewildering that Republicans can garner any support or that there are humans alive who think that they have any interest in properly governing or listening to the people they represent.
     
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    McCarthy lost the speaker of the house because he said that the Benghazi hearings were created to make Hillary Clinton look bad, and it worked....her poll numbers have gone down.

    So basically, the cons have sent $6 million taxpayer dollars to smear Clinton. Cons didn't like McCarthy exposing their dirty deeds.
     
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    The republicans care about dead americans(anywhere) as much as I care about Pluto.
     
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    They don't care about live ones either, especially children, the poor, the sick and the elderly.
     
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    Where'd you pull that figure from? I assume that includes suicides
     
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    No not suicides....

    Jan 16, 2013 ... Between 2000 and 2010, a total of 335,609 people died from guns -- more .... Also check how many child deaths are due to gun violence, then ...

    Just click on this....
    http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/16/16547690-just-the-facts-gun-violence-in-america?lite

    If you need help with google, let me know and I give you instructions.
     
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    You have to look at both sides of US politics or you are in danger of becoming a fanatic. If you don't understand why one party doesn't seem to make sense and the other makes perfect sense, you're already caught in the trap. Abandon your favorite party and place them under the same microscope as the party you hate, and things become much clearer. Consider that BOTH parties are keeping the drug war alive. BOTH parties have failed miserably with our economy (probably because it's too big to actually control and needs to be split into more manageable segments). BOTH parties suck at education for a raft of reasons.

    And BOTH parties are run by career country club politicians who live in an entirely different US than the rest of us, which was never supposed to happen. I appreciate the long ass laundry list here, but it proves little we didn't already know, that politicians can clog our nation with endless paperwork, meetings, sessions and bills. After reading this I am no more convinced that Hillary is blameless than I am that republicans plan to bring back slavery (absurd on it's face, but I have heard it said). What I wish I knew more about was why the ambassador (Stevens) was there and why it seems that absolutely no rescue effort was attempted. That alone makes me think that they were up to something and got caught. So even with the huge list of apparent discussions on the issue we still know nothing about the kernel aspects of this matter. We know more about the MLK and JFK killings, also mired in secrecy.

    Folks, BOTH sides are playing games with our lives. Pick 1 at your own risk. Pick none if you want to look at this without the emotional party baggage.
     
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    Yes, and that link says on average 86 die a day, 53 kill themselves, so over 60%

    So around 205,000 of those 335,609 were suicides

    Then you take out all the domestic violence stupidity, which would be the next biggest chunk, then what are you left with? Out of a population so big where gun ownership is easy and cultural

    Dont skew the bullshit to fit your argument
     
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    Not to mention the letter that Rep. Walter Jones (R - S.C.) sent around calling for the withdrawal of any leadership candidate who committed any “misdeeds” that might “embarrass himself, the Republican Conference and the House of Representatives".
    Of course, McCarthy denies the letter has anything to do with him pulling out of the race due to the affair he's almost certainly been having with Rep. Renee Ellmers (R - N.C.) since 2011.
     
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    Maybe you should look into Bernie Sanders...





    Actually, the investigations have found there was as timely a response as possible.
    That includes a rescue attempt that same night.

    What might be interesting to note though, is that Republicans denied money for security and personnel to international embassies.

    Here's some related reading for you:

    Boehner and Benghazi
    GOP Rep: I ‘Absolutely’ Voted To Cut Funding For Embassy Security
    Diplomats, National Security, and the House Budget


    When us Democrats talk about Republicans not making sense and working against the best interest of the country, it's not in ignorance of the log in our own eye...
    it's because actions by Republicans are truly worse than what Democrats pursue.
    Like paying for security and personnel for our embassies around the world.

    Not to mention, I don't know of any time when Democrats pursued investigations in as poor a fashion as Republicans have been doing since Obama became president.
     
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    The message I am getting here is "Republicans = Bad, Democrats = Good". So you've picked a side. Congratulations. I personally think both sides are fucked and that both sides are squeezing the life out of the Americans. So I will continue to try to navigate between them. I find it quite liberating to reject party affiliation.
     
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    I'm not denying that there is fucked up shit that happens on the Left.
    It's just that there is way more fucked up shit happening on the Right.

    For instance, I recently learned that Eric Holder apparently did some underhanded bullshit with the banks that were "too big to jail".
    I'm also not a fan of Hillary Clinton and am aware of Bill Clinton having presided over some crappy decisions.
    (Although, I would vote for Hillary before any Republican that's running, purely based on who would do the least amount of harm and the most good.)

    But if you refuse to look at the information I gave you because it means that one side is shown to be demonstrably worse than the other, due to their own actions, thenyou aren't navigating.
    You're embracing ignorance.

    You made a point that there was basically no evidence of what happened in Benghazi.
    My point was that there is plenty of evidence of what happened and explanations of exactly what went down.
    It's not some big mystery.
    The only reason it may seem that way is because of Republican activity.
    I'm not saying that to be partisan, I'm saying it because it is the truth.
    To be fair, there were a couple Republican lead investigations that sussed out the truth and said that Hillary had not been inactive and that action was taken to try to help those at the embassy.
    But other Republicans refused to accept the findings of several investigations and have continued to hammer at trying to make Hillary look bad, as can be evidenced by their singular focus on her and not on what happened in whole.

    Sorry, but the fact is that Republicans have acted much worse than Democrats on this, and many other issues.
     
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    And just after posting that last comment, I saw this:

    Ex-Staffer: Benghazi Committee Politically Motivated To Target Hillary Clinton
     

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