Ayn Rand's philosophy and Christianity are Irreconcilable

Discuss. Let's hear from someone who can explain to me how someone can idolize Ayn Rand and be a proponent of her so called "objectivism" and still be a devout Christian and bible reader.

What do they say to everything in the bible instructing believers to give to the needy, and so on and so forth.

The suggestion Jesus gives to the rich man who wants to get into heaven, that he "give his possessions to charity", how does that fit in with Rands shirking of all moral responsibility to others.

I'm very curious in the matter, because the connection between Ayn Rand and the bible is...very hard to argue for to me. They're both written on paper is about all I can say about it.

 

Those for whom her ideas resonate and whose actions manifest them--are merely giving lip service to the idea that they are acting as true christians. Good cover for a lack of empathy toward others. Pretty typical.

 

I'm a fan of Rand and not so much of Jesus. But cognitive dissonance is business as usual with people.

 

They are mutually exclusive.

 

There can be a strong streak of what might be seen as Social Darwinism in some Christian thinking.

People who are advantaged or get on in life do so because they must be liked by god and are worthy and those that are born into disadvantage or don’t get on are disliked by god and are unworthy.

It is therefore right that the worthy reap the rewards and the unworthy don’t, even that the worthy be helped and the unworthy not be.

In Britain in the Victorian era there were many ‘Christians’ who supported such things as the workhouse system, child labour and even owned slums.

 

Wrong, that's not real Christianity.

Social Darwinism, is a doctrine of man, and scripture explicitly states doctrines of man and God's word are not to be mixed.


Now a man's doctrine might draw inspiration from certain key versus of scripture, but real Christians, are expected to recognize the deception as an antichrist.

A lot of the time, Christianity is treated like a business label to sell goods and services and that is what social darwinism attempts to use God for the purpose of preserving and gaining profit.

^ Jesus threw the money changers out of the temple.

 

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LOL given the wide spectrum of views and practices what is ‘real’ Christianity?

I’m an atheist and for me all religions are the inventions of men. Also again given the wide spectrum of interpretations of holy texts from literal to analogical to dancing with live snake or believing the popes infallible then who’s version is the deception of the antichrist?

 

Real Christianity, is following the commandments, and constantly humbling oneself and being slow to anger or go into a fit of passion.

The faith is meant to help people come together not to divide them.

Spread the word yes, but not to be pushy about it, the pushiness came from man.

And have faith in Jesus Christ as the savior.

There can be more than one antichrist, and they are found by the fruit of their works, like prophecies that fail to come true that they have to back peddle.


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Politics is pushy, and there is a strong scriptural argument for keeping god's law and man's law separate. But most mainstream churches seem to get involved with politics anyway.



Infallible pope is also a man made idea, it does not come from scripture but instead has a few degrees of separation from what scripture actually says and creates contradictions with other versus about "the blind leading the blind".

Religious figureheads have power and authority as long as they remain true to the faith and non-hypocritical to it's values. The flock or followers are expected to know and recognize when their once good church or Shepard has lost their way....but people tend to be sheeple, and tend to be "caught" in a fit of passion.

The bible promotes critical thinking and the pursuit of knowledge, I have grave concerns the Church has misunderstood Christianity and how it should be taught since it's inception.

 

Because everyone (most people) knows that most of (many of I should really say to be fair) the loudest Christians are huge hypocrites and not the most caring people towards others. The loudest "Christians" I have known are more about being judgemental and not helping others... that obviously isn't to speak of every (true) Christian- but those that speak the loudest...

 

All True, and yet, these may have been more compassionate than that which had existed in the past.

Like being shipped off to a colony somewhere, or press ganged into The Navy.

 

YES; 'Ayn Rand' (i.s. supporters) is the most persistent Amnesty International supporter. I know she is; I don't have a clue why, but I know she is.

 

I know what it is. It doesn't happen very often that people can come out in groves into the street and hate their fellowman. How is it in New York that way today?

 

I've known some great Christians who were moderates politically and spent their time and attention on giving of themselves charitably.

But they are never the ones who are given a voice.

I've known enough good Christians to still cling to some shred of faith in the religion, that it can save and improve lives.

But these clowns on Fox News are making a farce of it. The hypocrisy is impossible to tolerate and I find I can't even find much amusement in watching conservative programming anymore. There was a time when I found it funny, but I guess I've grown.