ATTENTION ALL PSYCHEDELIC ENTHUSIASTS AND SUPPORTERS OF FREEDOM! SUPREME COURT & YAGE

Hey Spiderman UFO's I dig what you have to say about it making you sane in an crazy world...I agree, but for me. it's peyote. Blessings your way~Succulent.

 

Okay, well, Holland has zero censorship on TV and Radio, as far as I know. I saw a video of Steve-O on a talk show in amsterdam spark up a J on stage, say everything he felt like, wave his junk around in front of the audience and everyone watching from home, and staple his nuts to his leg. THAT is no censorship. Maybe an extreme example, but an example none-the-less.

Gecko, thats great for Rolling Stone magazine, but Rolling Stone isn't thrown into every citizen's mailbox, left on their doorsteps and driveways, broadcast over national news networks, and shouted out across bands of A and FM radios.

A religious group's ceremony of drinking a tea made of the bark from roots of plants and meditating and tripping is not impeding on ANYONE'S liberties. They're not forcing anyone to drink 'huasca, they're not selling it to our precious white children in their wholesome picket-fenced yards, they're not murdering people and mugging people to get money to buy 'huasca. Your reply concerning muslim extremists has NOTHING to do with this discussion. And frankly, those 'muslim' extremists are as Muslim as homophobic bible thumping hicks that beat gay kids are Christian.

But have fun saying "The president is an asshole; he needs to go back to what he's good at- being a coke head" from your 'Free Speech Area' encaged in chainlink fence adorned with barbed wire at the next rally.

I checked out the Universal Life Church briefly. What I learned is it looks like a scam, more than anything else. As far as an excuse to use drugs, people shouldn't need any excuse other than "I want to" or "It Feels Good". What stuck up lawyer or judge sitting in some chair miles away from me has any right to tell me what drugs are allowed in my body? Who owns my body? Me or the Government? Because last I checked, it was me, therefore as owner of my own person, I and only I have the right to decide what I do with my person. Oh thats right, the only drugs allowed in my body are: Beer, which will destroy my liver and mind, Cigaretts, which will give me cancer and addict me so I have to continue shelling out money for chemicals in a stick, and meds, which I "need" to be normal and cost more than cigaretts, which will make the Pharm. companies and doctors rich, and the doctors and Pharm.s will pay the lawyers and congress and FDA to allow them to make more drugs to sell to us. So I see now, I can't take drugs that are safe and expand my mind, because then I might live long enough and understand enough to see through all their bullshit and then how would they profit off my suffering and addictions?

 

You guys are reaching now.

In holland , the Gov can censor the press if it so chooses. but not here.
And that's the point.

There is no deference between those who would impose thier left wing viewpoint and those on the right. People read rolling stone or the NY times as they see fit- if the papers that print your version of the truth are under-read in your eyes, what's that to do with the US gov?

And, for what it's worth- I am canadian. And I fine welfare state of a country it is!
one where I have personally had a book taken from me by canadian customs. "Psychedlic Chemistry"- a seriously seditious book in canada, but only a book like any other in the US.

 

Whats the latest on this folks..have the supreme court ruled anything ? ( apologies i have skim read the thread and may have missed some of it )


Mmelody

 

Now let´s be serious about that censorship thing:


During the last years the US government always said, that Saddam Hussein has contacts to Al-Kaida and is planning to do lots of evil things to the USA.
Now, by and by, it turns out, that all this was a big lie and that G.W.Bush and his fellow men only needed a reason to raid a country against all international laws. Wrong information had been given to the media and the truth had been held back.
I don´t know how you call that, but I call it censorship!

 

then you're definitely using the wrong word. lying is different than censoring. censoring is prevention of publication/speech of certain ideas or words or whatever. lying is deliberately spreading false information. can you really not see the difference? plenty of people spoke out about the war being a sham, before we went to war i (and i believe also ellis and a few other people) marched in washington d.c. in protest against the idea. it was the largest protest of it's kind in the capitol SINCE THE VIETNAM WAR....and since the END of the vietnam war, at that. THIS was before we even went, and we got anti-invasion support in those kinds of numbers, not just a ragtag group of hippies and freaks, but people from literally EVERY walk of life you can imagine. the city was practically overrun....subways were hard to use, streets were packed shoulder to shoulder. it was rather inspiring at first....but....i guess it didn't help much. after all, bush decided rather last minute to take a trip to mexico during the protest, so while we were swarming around the city, and outside the whitehouse, he never saw.

this was huge......it was incredible....and it couldnt be stopped. you want to know what the best part is??

100,000-200,000 people overrun the nations capitol city to protest the federal government and VERY LOUDLY demand NO WAR IN IRAQ.....and yet there was a total of THREE arrests that day, and none of them were arrests from the anti-war protesters, the only people arrested were the pro-bush counter-protesters starting shit with us. you call this oppression? you call it censorship? there are plenty of disgusting things about my country, but there are a lot of good things, too.

this isnt to say that we have NO censorship, look at the FCC, look at pornography laws....but in most cases (such as the news) any censorship is self-imposed, and not at all government mandated.

america has enough problems to make me want to live somewhere else, but i really seriously doubt that it would be much better anywhere else. in some regards, yes, in ways that would possibly make me HAPPIER with my situation living somewhere else....but still, it would just be trading some problems for entirely different ones.

 

But how do you call the methods, the US government uses to deal with all the reporters that are/were IN the Iraq? Now, if that isn´t censorship, only showing, what the US public is wanted to see...

 

we all knoiw that the goverment uses censorship and lies to us! duh! thats been going on for years and years.....we find out about them lying to us and controling us and we get mad. hell, we even complain and bitch about it. but then we continue to let this happen. why? cause we dont think that we can make a difference. make a change. I am only one person. i cant do shit by myself......but the internt is giving people a free voice. and soon there will be anacrchy if we want it to happen.
We CAN make a difference. we must be willing to suffer some and make some sacrifices in order to get what we want tho. most people arent willing to do that.
so dont bitch about how corrupt the system is unless your willing to do something. shit, if we could all unite stoners alone could overthrow the govermnet. hell 1/4 of the US smokes pot and the rest know that the government is bullshit. every citizen knows this but is to scared to do anything.
the united states is suppressing us and they make you think you cant do shit. Think foryourself. we can do this! together! example.....if all stoners walked in public and all toked up weed then the cops would try and arrest them, but if we ALL did it they would fill up the jails...and people would still be getting high in public., they only control you because you let them. Most druggies are stealing from each other and ripping each other off...have we forgot the enemy? it is POSSIBLE! but its up to you and him and me to change. change has to start with yourself. you are God! we control our destiny. lets do something. change this bullshit society.

 

The gov does not censor the press.

keeping a secret is not censorship. lying is not censorship.
some of you guys need to invest in a dictionary.

they don't censor the internet- because they can't BY US LAW!

I've had many confrontations with gov authority, but NOTHING, not even facing the possibility of a 15-25 year prison sentence, has ever scared me half as much as having armed gov representatives (albeit canadian) tell me what I was allowed to KNOW.

 

Holding back information is censorship!
Giving wrong information to the public is also!

 

The fact that the government declared that no footage of flag draped coffins can be shown on TV is a restriction of freedom on the press.

The fact that we have a Federal Communications Commission to tell people what words they're not allowed to say on TV or the Radio is censorship.

Gecko, I notice you had nothing to say in defense of Uncle Sam in relation to his hammering down on Ayahuasca. I stand by my previous statement, if America was truly a land of freedom this trial would never even be going on.

I'm not going to argue this anymore, though. If you want to keep dreaming about a land of freedom we were taught in gradeschool then go ahead and keep dreaming.

 

I couldnt read this entire thread but I think that one of the main reasons there hasn't been a large scale change in this country is in a large part the result of our freedom of speech and right to assemble. I think there is this strange aspect of speaking out at a protest or a similar demonstration that gives people the false perception that they are being heard. Rather than taking radical or progressive action that will actually make a difference people tend to rely on the system. Why would a politician benefit from you using a psychoactive substance? He wouldn't and he doesn't feel you should have that right. So do you dismiss it and use the substance illegally? I wouldn't I'd do what it takes to obtain my freedom however I don't think writing letters, relying on the courts or protesting is going to go very far. Both the left and the right in the US are anti-psychedelics.

 

Buy a dictionary.

 

plytheman,

I never said america had perfect freedom. Just more freedom than anywhere else. (face it)

"I notice you had nothing to say in defense of Uncle Sam in relation to his hammering down on Ayahuasca".

Defend?
Me, I'm just a long time supreme court watcher. This is a legal issue, and , as such, requires a legal analyisis.
(It's you whom wants to play Judge.)
Nor do I defend the gov attempts to encroach on personal freedom- The US CONSTITUTION and I fight them whenever they get in my way.
But I approach my enemies with knowledge instead of self-righteous ignorance.
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Personally, I'm a rational anarchist. I believe in The Basic Right. My feelings on this, indeed, on EVERY issue, are the same:

EVERYBODY HAS THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE THIER OWN PATH TO HELL

 

so have you heard anything more about this?

 

probably not before spring

 

i did find an interesting article about it last night, but i couldnt find a date on it and it didnt seem to detail any recent developments about it.