Atheist on LSD/DMT/Psychedelics

So, we all know that psychedelics can produce mystical experiences

Deinition of Atheism:
1. Disbelief in or the denial of the existence of God or gods and of any supernatural existence, to be distinguished from Agnosticism

so, if an atheist were to have a mystical experience while taking these psychedelics, what do they think? do they believe it, or deny it.
I don't believe in a god, or feel that i need to dedicate my life to one, but these mystical states have a meaning, even if it does show a divine force.
Atheists base their lives off of logic, I mean, it's right in front of you, you can see it, and feel it, it's a spirit. So what do you think?

 

I'm atheist. Very atheist. I do not believe that the recorded earth-bound 'events' in the Bible were real events at all. I believe the concepts and stories were gathered over thousands of years; but wrongly misinterpreted from years of scriptures - probably recording astrological events. This 'God' in the Bible; God of everything, Lord of light, has a very human way of thinking. Plus - did dinosaurs (the supposedly biggest and most singnificant creatures, in their time, to roam the Earth) get a mention?! Did they buggery.
I am also very spiritual. That does not entail a believe in a God who is invisible yet all around us, and thinks and speaks in the same way as human beings. That does not involve fearing the powers and forces of the unknown, yet widely hyped.
I have had many mystical experiences as a direct result of psychedelic inebriation - not one have I held in connection with 'God' and religious prophecies.
If there was a God that visited Earth; my money's on a visitor from space who came down in a chariot from the sky, much to the astonishment, dismay and joy of early man.

 

I'm atheist and I don't base my life on logic.
I've already established I am in touch with my spiritual side.
I prefer to trip on the universe, nature, things we can define yet still don't truly understand as opposed to something we have absolutely no comprehension of at all and can't explain, in the instance of religion.
I ask the believer - have YOU seen God?!
Have YOU spoken to the good Lord which so many fear?!
I say to the believer - all you have to go on is historical documentation.
That feeling of fate probably matches the feeling I have when I make connections.
The only thing we have in common is hope.
I just find the idea of God and the rest of it utterly offensive.

 

I was atheist my whole life,
but after smoking DMT and eating lots of yummy psychedelics I can definitely say I lean more towards "intelligent design" now. Things just get way too weird when you go in deep...you can see so far into the future, the physicless beings who have mastered the universe...
our existence on this planet is just an experiment for them.

Just a theory..

 

That's the thing about God, it is beyond knowing. God can not be comprehended, and by seeing God, you might as well see everything in existence and then claim that you have seen God. God, in my opinion, is our source of energy. Is the design intelligent? No, at least I dont think so. Intelligence measures itself against itself. God is love, beyond measure. This design is one of love. But then you get into the whole battle of a personal God and an impersonal God, so it's hard to say.
One thing is for sure, wether you believe in God or disbelieve in God, either way you acknowledge God and must admit that you dont know either way. A belief is not knowledge, and knowledge is not possible with that which is beyond the mind. Sat Chit Ananda. Perfect Truth, Perfect Awareness, Perfect Bliss. Whatever God is, it is entirely transcendental to all senses.
I think an atheist who deepens the belief that there is no God through psychedelics is ignorning the point of psychedelics. If you can not allow yourself to be forced to doubt what you believe is true, then you've missed the point. It's not about is there a God or is there no God, it's about breaking down the truths you build up for yourself and cling to desperatley.
God Bless

 

I would imagine an atheist would assume that a spiritual experience under the influence of psychedelics would be a product of those drugs: a hallucination, resulting from impairment of the senses. Why would it be different that the hallucination is of a spirit, rather than of a chair eating itself? The chair eating itself is right in front of you, you can see it, and feel it, it's a chair eating itself. So what do you think? That chairs really do eat themselves, and the drugs that you just took are purely coincidental?

Of course, we're talking about two sides of the same coin: some would say acid impairs the senses by giving them false data, others would say that it improves the senses by giving them additional data. No-one can prove which, in any instance.

That's my view though. I would imagine most atheists would not believe in God purely because they saw him while on a trip. People know that drugs alter their perceptions, so if they don't believe that they enhance them, they are unlikely to trust what they've experienced under their influence as gospel.

 

From personal experience, I would say that most people refer to discovering God through psychedelics as an awareness thing, becoming suddenly aware by being exposed to experiences which are, obviouslly, beyond words.
Anyone who lieterally thinks they see God is most likely an idiot with wishful thinking and is easily fooled.

 

One of my favorite common phenomenon is when people say they learned the meaning to the universe...except they can't explain it...most usually don't even remember!

 

Yea, that's because it looks like this

And sounds like BBWWWWOOOOOWWWWWWWW

 

Personally, I don't believe that psychedelics grant us any kind of extra-sensory perception. They alter our existing senses, and in some ways that can lead us to new avenues of thought by reducing inhibitions, increasing patience, lengthening or shortening attention span, etc. But I think you're still working with the same basic self, the same brain. At the end of the day, any meaning of existence that you can only find by altering your senses probably isn't the real thing, or at least, not the complete picture.

 

central nervous system on overdrive.

You know...I never was quite able to feel your souls the way I do now.

Nor could I really see those flickering flames that grow from forehead buddha's.



For some strange reason, my sense of intention blossomed one day..

 

Ha. I always admired Frank Zappa, to be honest. He was adamantly against the use of drugs for these purposes, presumably on the grounds that most of us barely use the senses we already have. That's my view, anyway. I'm still getting to grips with this state of consciousness. If I tackle a higher state, I want it to be as an advance from this one, not an escape.

 

Escape?

How do you do that?

I've always wondered?

It's always the opposite for me...
like...a magnifying glass...

 

Well, in one instance, one would be mastering this state of consciousness and then moving on to a more challenging one; whereas in another, one would simply be seeking any state of consciousness that isn't this one, because of an inability to deal with it. So it's like the difference between drinking to loosen yourself up a bit, and drinking to numb the pain or whatever.

That's my thinking, anyway. I don't think state B can tell you anything about state A. At best, it gives you a point of reference.

 

interesting opinions, they don't resonate with me very much.

 

??? In most of my experiences, more than half the trip on psychedelics is painful and uncomfortable.
I dont see how escape applies, if anything you put yourself through hell to gain heaven.
Sort of like this level of reality.

 

I dunno, a lot of people seem to end up doing drugs and not doing much else.

 

Well, some people do drugs
and others partake in the sacrament.

 

Other partake in buttsecks.