Atheist Christian.

Discussion in 'Christianity' started by Ellenfunkel, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. Ellenfunkel

    Ellenfunkel Member

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    Forgive me if this topic has been broached in the past, but can I be Christian without believe in God?
    The logical answer is "No" because the existence of God is more than paramount in the Christian religion, but I'm still so in love with the teachings of Jesus and the values of Christianity. It's just that I believe is science- Darwin and all that jazz. I was in fact raised Jewish, but I'm falling into Christianity and really liking it all.
    So, is it just too wrong to call myself Christian?
     
  2. Soulless||Chaos

    Soulless||Chaos SelfInducedExistence

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    I don't suppose you could be both athiest and christian... However that's nothing to stop you from doing as you please... You don't have to be part of the any religion to follow it's values and teachings... :rolleyes:
     
  3. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    :) here ya go:

    http://www.atheists-for-jesus.com


    I've no doubt Jesus, the charismatic ordinary human being, existed. So did King Arthur - but he didn't go around slaying magical dragons....

    Jesus himself had some sensible things to say. Many of those that came after him were just meglomaniac greedy hypocrites. Paul for example.

    ~
    [​IMG]
     
  4. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    The evidence that either of those people ever existed at all is shaky at best.
     
  5. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    :) I am of the opinion that 'the magical' King Arthur did not exist too.

    Just that a Chief from the west Celt kingdom corresponding to Cornwall and Devon fought off valiantly some Romanised tribes left behind after the fall of the empire. As with the Celtic mode of historical recording, his story was passed down oraly (thus embelished).

    ~
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  6. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    No you can't be an atheist and a Christian. Christianity depends on belief in god, belief in jesus (usually as god) and the belief that jesus, by himself, erased our sins with his blood. (personally, i can't see how an honest person can believe the last thing, since it removes personal responsibility).

    Anyways, one can be "in love with" the philosophy attributed to jesus, but that doesn't make you a christian. It just makes you a philosopher impressed with the gospel philosophy. Anyways, what jesus taught isn't anything very new, preachers and prophets have been saying that for a long time. The resurrection wasn't new either (see Horus of the Egyptian mythology, among many others). The new thing is that the resurrection erased all sins of mankind. That's the stand out characteristic to Christianity, as far as i can see.

    I like jesus message as I like the Buddha's, or the message in Hinduism or whatever. But that doesn't make me a buddhist or a hindu or a christian. I borrow ideas and practices from them all and that's how I like it.
     
  7. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    I think you should just make a new category for yourself how about Christian Moralist Athiest (athiest that follows the teachings of the bible)
     
  8. Disarm

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    Isn't belief in G-d only one of the 10 commandments? How many 'true christians' break one or more commandment? I don't see anything wrong with you being an athiest christian at all, good onya I think. You can really learn a lot from the bible and other religious sources, and if someone's going to tell you you're wrong for believing in parts of the bible and disbelieving others, I say that they have the problem, not you. I am yet to find one christian who faithfully believes every passage in the bible as it was originally meant, bar of course the fundamentalist christians who also believe things like dinosaur bones were planted by the government.
     
  9. roly

    roly Senior Member

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    DO u believe in Julius CAesar? coz thers more proof that Jesus existed than him....
    Roly.xxx
     
  10. gnrm23

    gnrm23 Senior Member

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    ellenfunkel:
    sure, you can join the UUA...
    shalom...



    roly:
    i hope you are kidding... (but i rather think you are not...)
     
  11. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    UUA ?

    Ungirdled Udder Attack?

    Uninterested Unimpressed Aardvark?

    Unfettered Unscrupulous Avacado?

    Unexplained Unknown Acronym?

    ~
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  12. Kandahar

    Kandahar Banned

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    Unitarian Universalist Association
     
  13. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    uhuh.

    i prefer "Ungirdled Udder Attack"


    ;)
     
  14. Disarm

    Disarm Member

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    I'll attack your ungirdled udder ;)
     
  15. dhARmaMiLlO

    dhARmaMiLlO Member

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    I'm flattered by your offer m'lady but I'm afraid I must decline for I am bereft of udders; being a gentleman 'n all.

    :p
     
  16. Duck

    Duck quack. Lifetime Supporter

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    Disarm you are reading the 1st commandment wrong and thinking the wrong way of the commandments. The commandment states you shall believe in only God and only worship God. A real christian would recognize the fact that just because people don't follow the commandments doesn't mean you shouldn't try your hardest to. Plus the definiton of christian is "Professing the belief in Jesus as Christ and Lord of all"
     
  17. TrippinBTM

    TrippinBTM Ramblin' Man

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    I disagree. Historians, contemporary with Caesar, wrote of him in many sources. No one contemporary with Jesus wrote of him (while he was alive). And aside from the gospels, there are only two sources of historians writing about Jesus in the first century. And these passages appear very much to be later additions. And the contradictions in the Gospels also work against you. Thus, "the evidence for Jesus is shaky" though not completely absent.

    But you say there's all this proof of Jesus? Prove it. Show me the historical sources. Maybe you know more than I do.
     
  18. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    your local preacher won't have a problem with it if you make generous weekly donations
     
  19. ChiefCowpie

    ChiefCowpie hugs and bugs

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    Disagree: July has 31 days while Christmas and Easter are but two days.
     
  20. Epiphany

    Epiphany Copacetic

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    If you believe in Jesus, then you believe in God
     

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