Atheism Vs Christianity

ok so this buddy of ming says the earth is only a few thousansd years old.. and he said i cant prove him wrong.. this kind of frustrates me.. but listen my brother is currently going for a phd in physics, and hes told me alot of stuff about the universe and such, so i told my buddy stuff like, when u look in the sky and u see a star, is the star not far away? like very far away, possibly several thousand light years away? and i tried to explain to him that light takes a certain amount of time to reach us, like how the sun we see is liek 6-7 min old.. and i told him about carbon dating and, fossils, and how when we dig deep holes in ground tehres layeerrs, and the farther down the layers, the older it is.. i keep busting out stuff like this to try and prove his " earth is only a few thousand years old theory" but he still wont belive me that its more liek 4 billion years old.. somoene help me?

 

im starting to think the christian cult, is just brainwashing everyone w/ nonsense.

 

Welcome, my son ... welcome, to the Machine ...

(No but seriously.)

If he's not open-minded enough to convince him that the Earth is more than a few thousands years old ... then there isn't much you can do about it. He's going to be dogmatic until his mind is open enough to absorb what you say.

Until then, the best you can do is tell him that God doesn't exist and that he's an imbecile.

 

i dunno man, its so frustarting, i mean he even has doubts that dinosaurs existed or if they did there only like a few thousand years old, I MEAN WTf!>>!>! if they existed there was all these reptiles running around like 100 years before humans came along, and god decided to extinct them all, and there bones got burrowed like 100 feet under the ground or w/e it is.. i mean cmon,, thats just rediulas the things the church is telling him... or he says teh dinosurs could be a hoax and nvr existed at all, like people took dog bones and mixed them w/ tyurkey bones and made some kind of dinosaur, i mean come fucking on... and also the church told him that evolution just makes no logical since, and its completly false.. i mean wtf is going on...

 

but whenever i get frustrated w/ him, i just calm down, cause i begin to pitty him and feel bad for him, knowing that he belongs to a cult and all.. and the brainwashing that occurs there.. so i feel really sorry for him about that.

 

I don't think the christianity is a way of brainwashing cause there're really lot's of evidence shows us the god really exist. And don't forget

It's human nature to believe something or someone beyond itself.

 

There's NO valid evidence of any "God" that hasn't been refuted, debunked and laid to rest already.

It's all old rehashed arguments with a different mask which are brought up time and time again.

Look, your friend is in too deep. You'll never convince him otherwise. The most you can do is have the facts on your side. Either he'll come around eventually or he'll just lose himself in the sheep-cult.

It's out of your hands, man.

 

I don't want to start a big argument or anything, but what if it's actually the scientists that are brainwashing people. Just because it's "science" we believe it?

 

*roars* EVIDENCE THAT GOD EXISTS?

You know what I hate...when I ask some people, what the evidence is or something to that effect, and all I get are lousy quotes from the goddamn bible... Oxymoron. I think so.

 

The problem is that the use the bible and god to make the things they can't control seem logical. It's like all the baptists down here saying New Orleans was a wicked city thats why it flooded.

You have to remember when the whole basis of you life is based on a book that was translated to fit the era, your vision is already skewed.

 

aw.. i belive the cult has put my dear friend to deep into there beliefs.. im not even gonna bother to try to convince him that earth is much older then he thinks.. i dont know why i have been bothering to try and convince him.. thanks guys though.

 

what is the doctrine of science? nothing except for explanation through reasoning, thinking, and evidence. what science dubs 'possible' now can be refuted by science tomorrow; science keeps learning. the brainwashed may call scientists weak, because they tolerate uncertainty, but uncertainty is often necessary when one is being reasonable. when you ditch reason, you're free to plug up the holes of uncertainty with unproven, illogical concepts like 'magic' and 'leprechauns in the night'.
science is simply the system by which we explain the natural world using reason. religion abandons reason and uses a massive uncertainty plug instead.


love,

 

Mind garden

You can believe anything you want.
You say science brainwashes.
Yet that same science allows us to build the PC you are using to
complain that science is false.

Science cares NOT if you believe it.
It NEVER says there is a punnishment for not believing it.
It has no dogma but the definitions it proposes..
You wont die if you jump of a cliff because science says so.
You will die because of gravity.

Science CARES NOT.
And that is exactly how it should be.
It is a tool of reason. And no more.

Occam

PS.
If your friend wants to believe the earth was created just a few thousand years back. Let him/her.
Why should you care.?

All human belief of how the world was/came to be.
Is deduction based on what exists NOW
ALL
And verily, nothing that exists now shows any aspect of being created
just a few thousand years ago.
Nothing. [except that created by man]

Creationism is a false path
'Created' by a christian who counted all the 'begats' in the bible.
4004 BC wasnt it?

HAHAHAHHAHA

 

Hi nightmarehippygirl and Occam,

I think you both made some good points. One point I think both of you made was that science keeps seeking answers and is willing to change upon new findings (correct me if i'm wrong). It's kind of like Dylan said "he not busy being born is busy dying", which I think is a very true statement.

My original question was just a "wouldn't it be fucking crazy if we were all being misled" more of a paranoid mind fuck question, ya know? Anyways, thanks for actually answering the question. Theres a lot of people from all different viewpoints who just get pissed when they are asked a question that they don't like.

Peace

 

ugh i wish all the americans can be open minded about theorys.. and take them all into consideration.. i mean u have a mind.. use it!?

 

Mind Gardens

True.
And they get pissed ..why?
Because they have attached emotionally to an idea.

People will ALWAYS get pissed when you challenge an idea they
DESIRE to be true.

Occam

 

MarijuanaPhysicist, close-mindedness is not exclusive to America, per Occam's explaination to Mind Gardens.

 

'One point I think both of you made was that science keeps seeking answers and is willing to change upon new findings (correct me if i'm wrong). '
mind gardens

I don't know if you are wrong, but I have found that science is often less than enthusiastic to accept new findings that would challenge currently accepted theory. One such area I think this is the case with is the accepted version of the last ice age, which I see as being at odds with the physical evidence. The model that is taught has numerous details that do not explain the evidence. There are theories out there which make far more sense to me if only because they do not contradict the actual physical evidence. One obvious example of a find which does not fit the model is the mammoths frozen where they stood, with buttercup flowers in their alimentary tract. If a huge, warmblooded mammal that was munching temperate climate flora was frozen where it stood, to never again thaw out, then my reasoning would suggest that the slow advance of glaciers can be safely ruled out as the mechanism that was the cause.

 

yo inm tripping balls reaidng that shit. omg man

 

Hmm, well, luckily you don't have to be against evolution just because you believe in God. You can hold that both are "true." Most Christians I know do. Tons of Christians out there doin great work for peace and justice in the world...please don't stereotype and call us brainwashed. Thanks in advance.


Peace,

M