are all thoughts random or does god dictate what we think?

am i making this post or is god making me make it?
& if so why does god constantly question the existance of god?

 

I don't think that this makes any sense.

 

well whenever christians do anything thats contrary to theyre own beleifs.. (or muslims or jews or whoever) they claim its gods will right? so they're saying that the thoughts that led to that action (war, bombing abortion clinics or whatever) came from god & are not the thoughts of the person doing them ...according to them anyway.. so then, are any thoughtsour own or do they all come from god? & if so why does he want me to continuously question these beleifs?

 

What makes you think that all thoughts are random? Who or what is this "I" - show him or it to me.

 

oh its not thayt i think "all" thoughts are random i think we have the thoughts we think intentionaly & those that ovvur randomly, but how many times have christians said "all things come from god" including the thoughts that god doesnt exist..
can anyone explain why god makes some people believe & others disbeleive? or could it be possible that god doesnt exist & we simple choose to beleive or disbelieve in a myth

 

man if your gonna discuss this sort of thing with christians you cant at any point actually state your non belief by questioning gods existance. you shoulda kept on going with the question without bringing up the issue of whether he exists or not, you have to assume he does and then understand him

 

ok well thn, if he does..lets assume he does..& all things including my thoughts & occassional doubts come from god..why is it god causes us to doubt?
does he want us to question his words or follow blindly?

 

"god gave us free will"

 

ok so god gave us free will whats that mean exactly? still i wonder why for instance we know its wrong to kill, except we can slaughter thousands when its "gods will" (or gods thoughts) how can we tell when its our free will or gods will? the old stand by comes to mind yet again..all things come from god..including outr free will..which i supose is godswill..so if we reject the church are we not doing gods will? how is slaughtering millions right just cause its sanctioned by the church , & choosing to pray in the woods instead of a brick box wrong just cause a preist says you need to kneel in the box & put your mony in a basket?
it seems to me the lines betwen free will & gods will always depend on the official possitions of the churvh officials who are after all just men using fre will or gods will with no way to be sure which is which

 

It's not His will that you don't believe. But He gave you free will, and He cares about your salvation, however, due to free will he can't make you.

 

i still want to know, how do you tell when somethings free will & whejn its godswill?
and your telling me an all powerfull god cant make you act against your will?
wouldnt that mean evrytime people claim theyre acting according to gods will theyre claiming to be god since they must be acting out of free will since god has no power to excersize his will over ours?

 

i don't suppose even believers know when they're acting on "god's will." i guess when it has a beneficial outcome somehow.

 

beneficial to them you mean?
benificial o those who die cause of gods will?
i can say its gods will i startted this thread then since it had the benifit of getting people talking about free will vs gods will..wow i'm doing gods will..i feel so self ritouse now..no wonder christians are addictred to theyre beleifs..self ritousness is like a drug

heehee i'm better then all of you now cause i'm doing godswill!!!
lalalala i feel like dancin

 

well, sure, beneficial to them. after all, most of us are looking to benefit ourselves in the long run. that's nature. but while i know you're really enjoying your self righteous despising of all those christians stand for or believe, most of them are just people who don't wanna hurt anyone.

 

depends how u define christian.. if u mean those who call themselves chistians many dont hesitate to harm in gods name..but if u define christian as christlike very few real christians exist & most dont call them christians

& buy questioning theyre beleifs i'm honnestly not tryintg to hurt anyone, rather i'm trying to help...beleif unexamined is empty beleif afyter all

 

on the fact that the general public, which includes christians, isn't going to go outta their way to maim, torture or kill anyone. people are people. sometimes they get fucked up, but for the most part people aren't gonna shove an old lady off the curb in front of a speeding bus.

 

oh, i know. we all get kinda excited about our stances. i just like to argue. i know a lot of genuinely kind-hearted, charitable and pacifist christians, vegan and everything. the fact that they believe in their religion may or may not have brought out these characteristics in them, but seeing them maligned because of some psychos kinda rubs me raw. it's like when i hear women in the ladies room saying "men are pigs, every last one of them." well, now, i have some wonderful brothers and friends who aren't, and i get irked and have to disagree.

 

You could freely act in accordance to what you believe is god's will. Of course, what "god's will" is to a person is completely objective. I don't think that because it is "god's will" (as the christians mean it) that means god is forcing it on you. God's will to them is just what god would want you to do. You still don't have to do it.

A better argument for the lack of free will would be the fact that god supposedly knows all our futures before we are even created, yet with our futures already known and our future choices already made how is that any resemblance to a free will?

 

i totaly understand that & i'm not belittling the true christians out there which arent many, i'm sip[ly trying to examine the nature of the beast..the beast being blind faith..
those who have the true purity..& have really conceisly examined theyre beleifs intelectualy hsave nothing to fear..its only those who have nothing to go on but random quotes & mindless rhetoric who are the ones i'm questioning

 

and it's a good thing, too. never let my comments lead you to believe that i think getting people to question their beliefs is a bad thing. i just get annoyed by wholesale childish insults. then it's just a stupid gang war and no one listens anymore.