Any plan for the cut and run

I was against the invasion of Iraq because I didn’t think those that had thought it up had the best interests of the Iraqi people as their main goal, and for that reason I believe that it would not go well.

It hasn’t and one of the things that caused so much suffering was the seeming lack of any coherent or sensible plan for dealing with a Saddamless Iraq.

Well the winds of change have come over US public opinion and I’m wondering if another dreadful mistake is going to be made and a withdrawal is attempted without a coherent or sensible plan for what could happen in Iraq afterwards.

So has anyone any ideas about what to do if the decision is made to recall US troops?

 

Just out of interest, what would going well have been? I mean do you think that in some cases a nation has the right to breach anothers right to self determination?

Now as for getting out, they're getting bogged down so they'll leave 'nam style in a hail of bullets and chaos. One of the factions of the insurgnets will probably take over eventually or a civil war will develop

 

But of course a nations right to breach another nations right to self determination is self determined. What do you think it is that gives any nation rights besides it's own ability to take said rights for itself?

 

Yeh, well there should be limits. A nation has the right to go without interference from other governments. I'm opposed to nation states and want to smash borders anyway, but when they're standing, nations shouldnt have the right to go around invading smaller ones.

 

There is not always some further up authority, at some point it always comes down to power.

 

Who are they defeinding it from? Their own people. It shouldnt be the americans war. As for your quote, im sure that in all holy books you could find soemthing equally provoctive. I have muslim friends are you implying that they are all terrorists?

 

Man didnt you read my point. I said i opposed the notion of nation states. But i do think that nations, as they are, have the right to self detemrination. I want to smash borders though.

 

Incorrect. That's Trotskyism, not Marxism. In fact, Capitalist countries have far exceeded any "communistic" nations in numbers of sovereign nations invaded, overthrown or otherwise interfered with internally in order to establish economic/ideological domination and control.

Amongst them all, our own US of A has, since WWII, become the epitome of the Trotskyite principle of militant imposition.

 

Sorry to break the hard news to you dear boy, but misrepresenting matters of empirically verifiable academic fact is neither "subjective" (as you seem to allude) not correct.

I suggest you make an effort to educate yourself on Marx's theories before sounding off and exposing yourself as a fool. Marx did not advocate the militant overthrow of other nations' systems of governance. Capitalism and more specifically global corporate hegemony, on the other hand, HAS depended heavily on such aggression.

 

"revolution" from the ranks of any single nation's populace against their own leaders is a far cry from the application of one nation's military against the sovereignty and governance of another nation in order to impose a new system upon another people.

Obviously that distinction escapes you.

The International Workers' Union is not a nation nor a national government, its a mere association of those who share similar views on the existence of a class struggle. Moreover, it is most certainly not a military body intent on establishing the preeminence of any one nation's ideological control over any others.

Best you take the time to actually study the Communist Manifesto (that which was actually penned and espoused by Marx himself) before tossing out random soundbites about it.

Study Trotskyism while youre at it.

 

You truly have no clue of what you choose to spout on about. Feel free, however, to continue exposing your ignorance. Apparently its blissful for you, if nothing more.

 

Notwithstanding the ridiculous nonsequitors of your previous two retorts, I suspect Ive got a fair distance on you in both life and world experiences as well as personal accomplishments. Not that any of that is anything more than your sad attempts to digress from your own faulty claims of Marxist theories.

Give it time and perhaps slightly more effort at the books and perhaps one day you'll have the slightest clue. Until then, I continue to despair of the degrading intellectual standards of our nation's youth.

 

What insecurity would that be precisely? lol. You are a truly odd character and a poor discussant on political matters to be sure.

As for what nation, I refer to the US of course. Land of my birth and citizenship.

 

The answer to your question is in large measure already answered above, more than once. Nevertheless, try to comprehend that Marx envisioned the revolution as an inevitable historic process of realisation by the working class of each individual nation of their own exploitation. He did not advance the preeminence any one nation's or government's doctrines or agenda over any other by military force.

How many ways that need to spelled out to your obviously challenged intellect I shudder to think.

Marx focused on class struggle, not nationalism.

If you wont bother to inform yourself before making patently false claims about a subject, you only lessen your own credibility. No skin off my teeth either way.

 

Discussing politics is precisely what a political forum is for, my boy, and perfectly sensible when discussed from an informed perspective. That you have readily admitted to a preference for "throwing out thoughts" from the top of your head only shows that you talk as little "sense" as you do "politics".

Perhaps you should stick to more general forums if political issues are beyond your capacities to discuss factually and maturely.

 

Considering that Marx died in 1883 and the Soviet Union did not come about until 1917, Once again you only expose yourself as an ill informed fool.

Do yourself a favour and get an education.

 

Never claimed to be a visionary thanks. Another nonsequitor.

 

Between the lines of a fairly direct and clear one line statement, another bright comment from "off the top of your head" no doubt. lol.

 

ok - the plan
you wait till nightfall
pack your suitcase and throw it onto the tank and tie it down using the okky strap (thick elastic with metal hooks at the end), be careful though because it can sometime snatch back suddenly, so wear your desert goggles. make sure no-one knows you are going because they are pretty pissed off and seeing you going is going to make them shoot at you more.
silence is vital - maybe use some horses or cows to pull your tank out of camp, do not switch on the television or start listening to your ipod.
once you're clear get the tank going and before you know it you'll be across the border drinking some frothy beer

 

yeh, it's about the protaletariat rising up and doing so. It's NOT about 'socialist' countries invading other countries.