Another U.S. Cover-Up Surfaces (IPS)

catstevens · Jun 14, 2006

May 30 - US forces shoot dead two women in a car near Samarra. Troops say driver ignored signs to stop. Relatives and police say one of dead women was pregnant and going to hospital. 2 June 2006 (Reuters)Source
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Published on Tuesday, June 13, 2006 by the Inter Press service News Agency

IRAQ: Another U.S. Cover-Up Surfaces
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Dahr Jamail and Arkan Hamed
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BAGHDAD, Jun 12 (IPS) - In the wake of the Haditha massacre, reports of another atrocity have surfaced in which U.S. troops killed two women in Samarra, and then attempted to hide evidence of their responsibility. Among the innumerable such cases people speak of, this one too has now come to light. According to an earlier account, Nabiha Nisaif Jassim, a 35-year-old mother of two, was killed in firing along with her 57-year-old cousin Saliha Mohammed Hassan on May 30 when they were being transported to Samarra General Hospital for Nabiha to give birth. What was not reported, according to an Iraqi human rights investigator who spoke with IPS on condition of anonymity, was that both women were shot in the back of the head by U.S. snipers. "I investigated this incident myself, and both of these women were shot from behind," said the investigator. "Nabiha's brains were splattered on her brother who was driving the car, since she was in the back seat." The U.S. military said soldiers fired on the car after it entered a "clearly marked prohibited area near an observation post" after failing to stop despite "repeated visual and auditory warnings." The U.S. military said in a statement that "shots were fired to disable the vehicle." The brother of the pregnant woman, Redam Nisaif Jassim, who was driving the car, told IPS that he neither saw nor heard any warnings by the U.S. military. Two men who witnessed the incident from a nearby home also said they saw no signs of any warning.
"These kinds of killings by the Americans happen daily in Iraq," said Jassim, "They gave no warning to us before killing my cousin and sister. Of course we know they have no respect for the lives of Iraqis." The U.S. military claims the incident is being investigated.
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The Haditha slaughter in which 24 Iraqis were killed is under investigation for the incident itself, and further for the cover-up, since the initial report given by the Marine Corps stated only that 15 civilian deaths were caused by a roadside bomb and fighting with insurgents.In this case too, all signs point to a cover-up. "The area where they were killed by the Americans was completely unmarked," the human rights investigator told IPS. A warning sign at the place was put up after the two women were killed, he said.Like the Haditha massacre, this incident too should be investigated both for the killing and the cover-up, he said. According to the investigator, the U.S. troops who killed the two women made no attempt to assist them after the shooting.
The next day Redam Jassim was summoned to a local police station. "The Americans offered me 5,000 dollars, and told me it wasn't compensation but because of tradition," Jassim told IPS. The U.S. military pays usually 2,500 dollars compensation for killing an Iraqi. Jassim says he refused the payment.

The U.S. military recently announced in a Defence Department report provided to Congress that it paid out 19 million dollars in compensation to Iraqis last year -- half of which paid out by Marines in al-Anbar province west of Baghdad. The military claimed the amount was paid in 600 separate incidents, but it is common knowledge in Iraq that the usual payout for a non-combat civilian death is 2,500 dollars. (*Stevens:Their souls are cheap, I didn't know that)A payment of 19 million dollars compensation at 2,500 dollars a person would suggest such killings in thousands.
Jassim told IPS and the human rights investigator that he was asked by the Americans' translator to sign a paper written in English. The family and their relatives live in a village called al-Muta'assim, a 40-minute drive from the main hospital in Samarra.. Most people there, like the Jassims, neither speak nor read English.
After he signed the paper, Jassim was offered 2,500 dollars by U.S. soldiers, which he again refused. "It is clear the Americans tried to cheat him as well as cover up their tracks at the same time," the investigator told IPS. "Like in Haditha, this incident, along with so many others we cannot keep track of, requires a truly independent investigation, rather than one by the U.S. military." Phone calls and emails to the U.S.. military spokesperson in Baghdad have not been returned. (END/2006)
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catstevens · Jun 15, 2006

FedUpAmerican

FedUpAmerican said:

After six months of covering up the Haditha massacre, the time had come to face another public audit of the conduct of American occupation forces in Iraq. Once again, as in Abu Ghraib, the real culprit was a camera.
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FedUpAmerican said:

American eyes are not supposed to see this sort of thing lest it disturb their inner harmony. The folks back home live under the comfortable illusion that their armed forces are busy fighting the ‘bad guys’, promoting democracy, setting up school playgrounds and passing out candy to street urchins.

Don’t expect the average American to dwell – let alone show empathy - for the traumatized Iraqi survivors in Haditha. Just because the majority of Americans are now against the invasion doesn’t mean they’re paying attention to the details. In this most sanitized of wars, they rarely get a look at their own dead and wounded. For most, the whole sordid Iraqi affair is no more than background noise. Half of them still can’t place Iraq on the map and there is a significant minority that still believes Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.
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It is betetr if they give it attention , go into details and care, it is our ONLY home "(this planet)''

FedUpAmerican said:

Imagine the reaction if the same gang of cold-blooded marines had executed women holding suckling babes right outside the gates of Camp Pendalton.

Would their officers cover up for them?

Would the local reporters take six months to dig up the details?

Would the mayor do a bushy imitation and pretend that he heard about it from the papers?
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cadcruzer · Jun 15, 2006

FuzzyAmerican said:

After six months of covering up the Haditha massacre, the time had come to face another public audit of the conduct of American occupation forces in Iraq. Once again, as in Abu Ghraib, the real culprit was a camera.

American eyes are not supposed to see this sort of thing lest it disturb their inner harmony. The folks back home live under the comfortable illusion that their armed forces are busy fighting the ‘bad guys’, promoting democracy, setting up school playgrounds and passing out candy to street urchins.

Don’t expect the average American to dwell – let alone show empathy - for the traumatized Iraqi survivors in Haditha. Just because the majority of Americans are now against the invasion doesn’t mean they’re paying attention to the details. In this most sanitized of wars, they rarely get a look at their own dead and wounded. For most, the whole sordid Iraqi affair is no more than background noise. Half of them still can’t place Iraq on the map and there is a significant minority that still believes Saddam had weapons of mass destruction.

Imagine the reaction if the same gang of cold-blooded marines had executed women holding suckling babes right outside the gates of Camp Pendalton.

Would their officers cover up for them?

Would the local reporters take six months to dig up the details?

Would the mayor do a bushy imitation and pretend that he heard about it from the papers?
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http://www.metimes.com/articles/normal.php?StoryID=20060607-034311-5372r......in case someone want's to read the rest of YOUR story.

Politics are awesome · Jun 15, 2006

Concerning the women:

if you were a soldier in Iraq, and a car was driving fast towards you and ignoring the signs to stop, would you not shoot? People driving like they have been known to be carrying bombs -- how in the heck can someone tell if a passenger is pregnant?

Obviously its a bad thing, but I highly doubt the soldiers did it on purpose. As for the cover-up, soldiers, just like ordinary people, panic in times of crisis.

catstevens · Jun 15, 2006

Politics are awesome

Politics are awesome said:

Concerning the women:
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Politics are awesome said:

if you were a soldier in Iraq, and a car was driving fast towards you and ignoring the signs to stop, would you not shoot? People driving like they have been known to be carrying bombs -- how in the heck can someone tell if a passenger is pregnant?
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Did you read the entire report? let me quote it

Nabiha Nisaif Jassim, a 35-year-old mother of two, was killed in firing along with her 57-year-old cousin Saliha Mohammed Hassan on May 30 when they were being transported to Samarra General Hospital for Nabiha to give birth. What was not reported, according to an Iraqi human rights investigator who spoke with IPS on condition of anonymity, was that both women were shot in the back of the head by U.S. snipers. "I investigated this incident myself, and both of these women were shot from behind," said the investigator. "Nabiha's brains were splattered on her brother who was driving the car, since she was in the back seat." The U.S. military said soldiers fired on the car after it entered a "clearly marked prohibited area near an observation post" after failing to stop despite "repeated visual and auditory warnings." The U.S. military said in a statement that "shots were fired to disable the vehicle." The brother of the pregnant woman, Redam Nisaif Jassim, who was driving the car, told IPS that he neither saw nor heard any warnings by the U.S. military. Two men who witnessed the incident from a nearby home also said they saw no signs of any warning. "These kinds of killings by the Americans happen daily in Iraq," said Jassim, "They gave no warning to us before killing my cousin and sister. Of course we know they have no respect for the lives of Iraqis." The U.S. military claims the incident is being investigated.
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Politics are awesome · Jun 16, 2006

FedUpAmerican said:

Does that include pregnant women that drive fast?
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There is no way in hell the soldiers could have known that a passenger in the vehicle was pregnant. All they could see was a speeding car refusing to stop.

And if you later learn that you severly fucked up here, would you not panic and try to hide what happened?

catstevens said:

Did you read the entire report? let me quote it
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Yes.

"These kinds of killings by the Americans happen daily in Iraq," said Jassim, "They gave no warning to us before killing my cousin and sister. Of course we know they have no respect for the lives of Iraqis."
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I doubt these are the exact words which were said.

catstevens · Jun 16, 2006

Politics are awesome

Politics are awesome said:

There is no way in hell the soldiers could have known that a passenger in the vehicle was pregnant. All they could see was a speeding car refusing to stop.
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Politics are awesome said:

Yes.
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And did you read what I've quoted?
Again:

The brother of the pregnant woman, Redam Nisaif Jassim, who was driving the car, told IPS that he neither saw nor heard any warnings by the U.S. military. Two men who witnessed the incident from a nearby home also said they saw no signs of any warning.
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The next day Redam Jassim was summoned to a local police station. "The Americans offered me 5,000 dollars, and told me it wasn't compensation but because of tradition," Jassim told IPS. The U.S. military pays usually 2,500 dollars compensation for killing an Iraqi. Jassim says he refused the payment.
The U.S. military recently announced in a Defence Department report provided to Congress that it paid out 19 million dollars in compensation to Iraqis last year -- half of which paid out by Marines in al-Anbar province west of Baghdad. The military claimed the amount was paid in 600 separate incidents, but it is common knowledge in Iraq that the usual payout for a non-combat civilian death is 2,500 dollars.A payment of 19 million dollars compensation at 2,500 dollars a person would suggest such killings in thousands. Jassim told IPS and the human rights investigator that he was asked by the Americans' translator to sign a paper written in English.
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Politics are awesome · Jun 16, 2006

After some "research," I admit, I have nothing to disprove that.

Quite the bummer.... not that I "lost" or whatever, but that it happened.
sorry to argue with you.

Politics are awesome · Jun 16, 2006

FedUpAmerican said:

Most people would view this as a crime.
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Naturally.

You don't know what you would do in a similar situation, though.

zeppelin kid · Jun 16, 2006

FedUpAmerican said:

Does that include pregnant women that drive fast?
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I am going to pretend you didn't just say that. Because that statement is so wrong on all levels it deserves a moment of silence.

zeppelin kid · Jun 16, 2006

First off lets set asside all of the whos right whos wrong stuff and look at the facts.

U.S. soldiers are in Iraq and there have been hundreds of suicide bombers and you have a way of detecting who is dangerous and who isn't, a hand signal. So you put the hand signal to the pregnant woman that means stop at once or we will shoot and she doesn't stop. What would any intelligent person do, thats right, shoot.

You have to protect yourself and your comrades and I believe from what I read is that the army gave her all options to stop and live but she chose to not listen and die.

zeppelin kid · Jun 16, 2006

FedUpAmerican said:

Sure they did. They said:

STOP! <BANG-SHOOT-EXPLODE-SHOOT-BANG> Or I'll shoot.

The point you seem to be missing is that we should never have been there in the first place. bushy put the troops in harms way on the basis of a lie and an illegal act, which is invading a soverign nation with the purpose of changing their leadership.

If the Iraqi's invaded US, wouldn't you fight like hell and try to kill the invaders? That's all they're doing. They see us as invaders.
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Like I said, forget who is right or wrong and think about the facts. Yes we should have never gotten involved with Iraq but were not looking at that. Just the facts.

catstevens · Jun 16, 2006

zeppelin kid

zeppelin kid said:

U.S. soldiers are in Iraq and there have been hundreds of suicide bombers
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When did they appear those suicide bombers ? when the US went there right? If a criminal or a thief broke in your house, would you leave him? you told him get out? he didn't respond, those iraqis don't believe Bush, He didn't come to bring them peace

zeppelin kid said:

So you put the hand signal to the pregnant woman that means stop at once or we will shoot and she doesn't stop. What would any intelligent person do, thats right, shoot.You have to protect yourself and your comrades and I believe from what I read is that the army gave her all options to stop and live but she chose to not listen and die.
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Did you read the entire reprt let me quote

The brother of the pregnant woman, Redam Nisaif Jassim, who was driving the car, told IPS that he neither saw nor heard any warnings by the U.S. military. Two men who witnessed the incident from a nearby home also said they saw no signs of any warning.
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The next day Redam Jassim was summoned to a local police station. "The Americans offered me 5,000 dollars, and told me it wasn't compensation but because of tradition," Jassim told IPS. The U.S. military pays usually 2,500 dollars compensation for killing an Iraqi. Jassim says he refused the payment.
The U.S. military recently announced in a Defence Department report provided to Congress that it paid out 19 million dollars in compensation to Iraqis last year -- half of which paid out by Marines in al-Anbar province west of Baghdad. The military claimed the amount was paid in 600 separate incidents, but it is common knowledge in Iraq that the usual payout for a non-combat civilian death is 2,500 dollars.A payment of 19 million dollars compensation at 2,500 dollars a person would suggest such killings in thousands. Jassim told IPS and the human rights investigator that he was asked by the Americans' translator to sign a paper written in English.
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catstevens · Jun 20, 2006

Among Jamail's most recent articles published by Inter Press News Agency is "Another U.S Cover-up Surfaces." Dahr Jamail is an independant freelance journalist who tries, contrarty to what the U.S. media does, uncover the true face of the occupation and the negative impact it left on the Iraqis.

To view more of his reports you can visit www.DahrJamailIraq.com.

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Killing Iraqi women in “COLD BLOOD”

6/19/2006 6:30:00 PM GMTSource

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Earlier this month the U.S. invaders shot dead two Iraqi women one of them about to give birth .The American troops opened fire at the car carrying Nabiha Nisaif Jassim, 35, and the mother of two children, claiming that the car entered a prohibited area near an observation post and that the driver refused to stop it despite the visual and auditory. Redam Nisaif Jassim asserted that he did not see any warnings as he sped his sister to the hospital. Jassim and her 57-year-old cousin, Saliha Mohammed Hassan, died instantly. "Shots were fired to disable the vehicle," the U.S. military claimed in a statement e-mailed earlier to The Associated Press. Here we have a totally different account of the incident. Below is an interview with Dahr Jamail, an independent journalist who spent sometime in Iraq. Jamail gives a deeper explanation of the incident, uncovering facts that had been intentionally hidden by the U.S. media.
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AMY GOODMAN: We welcome you to Democracy Now!, Dahr.

DAHR JAMAIL: Thank you.

AMY GOODMAN: We also invited a representative from the Pentagon to be on the program, but they did not respond to our request. Dahr, tell us the story from the beginning, as you understand it.

DAHR JAMAIL: Well, much like what was played there on the clip, Nabiha Nisaif Jassim, a 35-year-old mother of two children, a 3-year-old boy named Ali and a 4-year-old daughter named Hashmiya, were shot by a U.S. sniper in Samarra while Nabiha was being raced to the hospital in order to give birth. Her brother, Redam Nisaif Jassim, was driving the car and the two women were in the back seat when they were fired upon.And I spoke with an Iraqi human rights investigator about the situation. This investigator went and investigated it firsthand after he obtained news about what happened there. And it was very, very clear that the car was shot from actually behind by a U.S. sniper. There was no warning in the area. There was no sign put up by the U.S. military; nothing marking the area that showed that it was prohibited or that these people should not have been there. Instead, after the shooting occurred, the U.S. military, who did not come out and try to provide any aid to these people whatsoever, actually then drug a sign out to the area, a small sign. There was actually an AP photograph of it, and the initial story that the AP ran about the event. And that was brought after the shooting actually took place.

AMY GOODMAN: And what is the military saying at this point?

DAHR JAMAIL: The military claims that it was a clearly-marked area. That there were then shots fired in warning, audible and visual alerts given to these people to warn them that they were in a clearly-marked area, which was prohibited and near a so-called observation post. But again, these were claims that were disputed both Redam, who was driving the car, as well as two other people who were interviewed by the human rights investigator nearby the scene, who saw the event occur. And all of them saying that this was basically false -- the U.S. military's statement was false – that there were no signs, there was no way that anyone in Samarra could have told that this was a prohibited area.

AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to independent journalist Dahr Jamail. The reason it seems that Haditha is being taken so seriously right now, that the military has opened these investigations, is because the videotape has surfaced. That's hard to deny. Are there any photos like that or videotape of what you're describing in Samarra?

DAHR JAMAIL: Not that I know of, so far, other than there have been some photos taken just after the event occurred. But it's nothing quite as damning as what surfaced after Haditha. At least not yet.

AMY GOODMAN: Dahr, you have also written about Ramadi, talking about a repeat of Fallujah. What do you understand is happening in Ramadi right now?

DAHR JAMAIL: I've very recently spoken with the emergency coordinator for an Italian NGO that’s based out of Amman, Jordan. It’s called the Italian Consortium of Solidarity. And the emergency coordinator, Maurizio Mattia, has told me, along with a source I have who has been in Ramadi for the last few days, that Ramadi is basically sealed off by U.S. forces.It's not completely sealed off, because simply it's too big for them to do that. Keep in mind, that Ramadi, while it's about 400,000 residents -- not too much bigger than Fallujah -- it's about twice the size geographically of Fallujah. And it's about a 15-minute car ride from Fallujah as well. So they're very close together. But that makes Ramadi quite difficult for them to seal off completely. So instead, U.S. soldiers have sealed -- there's an east and west bridge out of Ramadi, so that is sealed. And then they're going neighborhood by neighborhood, district by district right now, fighting, trying to clear neighborhoods, according to the U.S. military. They're using snipers very, very heavily and have been for several weeks inside of Ramadi, taking over people's homes, putting snipers either in bedrooms or on the rooftops to shoot into the city. People have been complaining about this for weeks, if not months. now. And they're using helicopters and ground troops to siege the city. The emergency coordinator told me that he estimates over 3,000 families have left Ramadi. And they've become IDP’s, or internally-displaced people. And 30% of these, he estimates, went to Baghdad. Many of them have gone to Fallujah. He said the rest of the people are literally "wandering around in al-Anbar province."

AMY GOODMAN: Can you repeat, Dahr Jamail -- because the last time we had you on, when we were asking you about Haditha, when we were talking about the killings there, you talked about Fallujah. And you said, if we're going to talk about Haditha, which is very important, we also have to talk about Fallujah. But can you repeat what happened? Because I think most people in this country don't understand what the siege of Fallujah is about. Especially as you're talking about Ramadi right now.

DAHR JAMAIL: It's a very important thing that people understand: Fallujah, during the November 2004 U.S. assault on the city, was essentially turned into an uninhabitable city, where -- most of it remains that way today.

It's a city of 350,000 people, where it's estimated by Iraqi -- an Iraqi NGO within Fallujah that has tried to figure out the number of people who were killed there the best they could, that between 4,000 and 6,000 people were killed. 4 and 6,000 people were killed in one U.S. military operation. The Pentagon admitted they did use white phosphorus, which is an illegal incendiary weapon. They tried to deny this at first, but enough proof was provided, including soldiers' statements, who were in Fallujah, that they did use that weapon. It was called Whiskey Pete on the radio when they used it.

And soldiers testified of stepping over charred bodies that were hit by this themselves. And the Pentagon finally even admitted that they used it and it could have even hit civilians. They also used cluster bombs, they used uranium munitions , they used fleshettes, all of these are violations of various international laws. And the city, to this day, entire neighborhoods remain without electricity, without water. And basically, the water situation there is a disaster, where to this day, also, there remain many waterborne diseases spread rampantly. The medical system was absolutely crushed during the siege and has yet to recover to this day.

People need to be very clear, that this is the equivalent of a Guernica. It was an absolute massacre of an entire city.

AMY GOODMAN: Last week, we read the first paragraph of a Newsweek piece in Fallujah, for our TV viewers, we're going to show some photographs and we're going to put this on our website for our radio listeners. This is from Newsweek, and I'd like you to respond, Dahr. 'The Marines know how to get psyched up for a big fight. In November 2004, before the Battle of Fallujah, the Third Battalion, First Marines, better known as the "3/1" or "Thundering Third," held a chariot race. Horses had been confiscated from suspected insurgents, and charioteers were urged to go all-out. The men of Kilo Compan -- honored to be first into the city on the day of the battle -- wore togas and cardboard helmets, and hoisted a shield emblazoned with a large K. As speakers blasted a heavy-metal song, "Cum On Feel the Noize," the warriors of Kilo Company carried a homemade mace, and a ball-and-chain studded with M-16 bullets. A company captain intoned a line from a scene in the movie "Gladiator," in which the Romans prepare to slaughter the barbarians: "What you do here echoes in eternity."’ And this is the kilo company that ended up in Haditha at the time of those killings. Your response, Dahr?

DAHR JAMAIL: Well, if that's correct, that what they do in Fallujah would echo in eternity, hopefully those echoes will be the voices being heard in the international criminal courts, where the people who committed the war crimes in Fallujah and, more importantly, those who gave the orders for this siege to happen, as well as declaring the entire city a "free-fire zone," will be those echoes that we all hear when justice is served. Because the entire city was declared a free-fire zone, and this type of psyching up, as described, is absolutely sick. I think that's lunacy.

And I think that's a big part of the reason why women, children and elderly suffered the most, and were on the receiving end of the bullets and bombs fired by the U.S. Military in Fallujah. That type of psyching up, as well as other statements made by a member of the U.S. military, that Satan lived in Fallujah, that Satan has a face and he is in Fallujah, saying this sort of thing, is clearly why the entire city was demonized, the people were made subhuman by this type of propaganda by the U.S. military, and psyching up. And this is one of the big reasons why it's an absolute atrocity and countless war crimes were committed there.

AMY GOODMAN: Dahr Jamail, I’d like to ask you to stay on for a another question about the crackdown now in Baghdad, about the tens of thousands of troops that have spread out through the city. We're speaking to Dahr Jamail, independent journalist. We have to break for 60 seconds.

AMY GOODMAN: As we go back to Dahr Jamail for just a question. U.S. and Iraqi forces have launched what's being described as the biggest security crackdown in Baghdad since the invasion. Up to 75,000 troops are being deployed around the city. The troops will man increased numbers of checkpoints, launch raids and call in airstrikes. This as President Bush made a secret visit -- until he got there, yesterday, to meet with the Iraqi prime minister. Your response?

DAHR JAMAIL: Well, this operation, which they're calling "Operation Forward Together," I think couldn't be named more aptly, as far as the propaganda effect of that, after having Bush's visit there. But it's similar to another operation that was launched, where a very huge number of both Iraqi and U.S. soldiers were brought in. And it's very worrisome, the fact that they go out of their way to put the use of air strikes on the table. And it's clear that they are going to be going into neighborhoods, most likely Sunni areas, since this was already described as the plan by a major general in the Iraqi military, in the Iraq Interior Ministry.

And it's very worrisome, that now they're going to start using these siege-type tactics, apparently, within the capital city. There's been much worry about this for quite sometime, and now it looks like it's a much more real possibility. And that's very worrisome. Because I know someone, in one of the Sunni areas in Baghdad, and he's having to regularly send his children and wife out of the house, kind of disburse them around the city, for fear of soldiers coming in and ransacking the house, or killing him, or detaining his children.

AMY GOODMAN: Dahr Jamail, I want to thank you very much for being with us. Independent journalist based in Baghdad for a time, now is back in the United States, continuing to report on what is happening in Iraq. Dahr Jamail, thank you very much for being with us.
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