All at once.

Due to the fact that science has proven time travel, do not question the post. Science has found ways to travel forward in time, but not back. no human has actually done it, but it was shown in experiments travelling at light speed into space for an hour and returning to earth would place you roughly 80 years in the future while you have aged an hour. SO.

The Philosophy

Let's say by 2050, science has mastered time travel. time machines are a common household item and used frequently. My sister "B" has traveled to year 1000. my mother asks "Where is B?" i respond with "It's 2050 now, but B is in year 1000".

The meaning.

Year 1000 is happening while year 2050 is happening. Time is all happening at once. as of right now. im posting this thread, being born and dying all at the same time.

 

If time is happening all at once...


Where is the present?


Are you saying that it is all a matter of perspective?

You should read Slaughterhouse-Five.


It has a lot of the elements you speak of in it.

 

who knows when the present is. i guess you can say it is a matter of perspective. philosophy is tough to grasp, it challenges you to think and for many philosophical matters no one knows the truth.

 

Have you ever read "Montauk Point - the Phoenix Project"?
I could easily imagine backwards as well as forwards time travel, if you possess a conduit.
Backwards would just be more Dangerous, as if That has ever affected a damn thing humans do. lol

 

Time as science understands it does not exist outside the sphere of human experience.

While science and logic may suggest a linear flow of time, science and logic are limited to the human sphere.

Other than a few milliseconds, you can't travel time.

Time, is a person's inability to see totality. The human mind cannot drink it all in, so it must be reduced down to bite sized chunks we call seconds.

Time itself does not change because it is an illusion of the perceiver. It is the perceiver that changes.


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your wrong. you can travel through time. it was scientifically proven, and time exists where ever matter exists. no doubt we cannot understand it all so we simplify it. but as for the rest of your comment, thats a load of crap.

 

everything has already happened

 

exactly.

 

the linear notion of time is an illusion

 

I'm not wrong.

I used to view the world through physics like yourself. Now I use metaphysics, because I can. Most people can't.

I did take care to mention that both science and logic are within the sphere of human experience.

What about outside of it?. When you experience that, you'll come to see for yourself that time does NOT exist.

You can't build a time machine to go back and see the Pyramids being built. Because all that is outside of you, is actually inside of you already. Beyond the laws of physics. Beyond logic.

And from your perspective, beyond belief.


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we are the time machine

 

I love metaphysics. It blows my mind and ties me up in knots. I love mind fucks.

 

Time only exists in the human mind and lab (a reflection of the human mind). One of the biggest problems is that part of time measurement includes cosmological distance. The earth travels through space. Therefore, if anyone went forward or backward in time, for even a day, the earth would be somewhere else and the travelers eyeballs would pop out.

 

Its easiest if you imagine each soul with a sphere around them.

This sphere contains all that they are as individuals. They can travel within this sphere. When they travel from the exact center to the outer walls, they sense that they move in a straight line. This is the way of average people. They think all things in this world are linear. Point A to point B.

In the world of metaphysics, we understand this to be illusion. Once you hit the outer wall, you then travel along the inside of it. Now you can see the illusion of linear movement as you go around and around. Your journey will never end. No gain. No loss. Just existance.

In reality, there is no movement because there is no space. Creation becomes "all at once".

The sense of movement comes from the mind itself, as it explores more of what it is. Until you have learned what the mind really is, you cannot understand the nature of reality around you. Science or not.



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eek, the wobble

how do you know we aren't already in a fucked up alternative place, caught in a loop because someone did go back in time and we are just waiting for it all to right itself?:toetap05:

 

Could you please give some link or something to this 'proof'?

Personally I think it's nonsense to imagine travelling in time - it would mean for one thing that the future is fixed and already exists, so it would thus deprive us of free will and leave us trapped in a wholly deterministic universe.

 

What if the future does already exist though? I mean what if free will is one of the most complex illusions Nature has to offer?
I really dont know, I have experience that leads me to believe both ways. Obviously, much more experience to lead me to believe that we do have free will, but when you are going against the grain that much is to obvious.

 

I dont know what the OP is talking about, but I gather from your post that you are referring to virtual particles?
That very uncertainty is proof of how limited our perception of time is. I agree with your post, creation is a whole, the coming to of particles to create mass shows that, very slowly in our view, it is all one thing that comes together and breaks apart in cycles. The unpopular view however, is that most of us are left behind and have no chance other than to exist how we do now and accept, rather than hope to continue being a part of Gods dream drama.

 

I think the main reason people so vehemetly defend free will is because they don't even want to consider the possibility that it is not so.

Let's take a day of my life for example. Right now I have a billion different possibilities of what to do open to me right now. But, if you end up at the same place no matter what you do (death, returning to God, ascending, W/E) do you really have free will?

 

I would say no, but then again I believe that everything exists (if only in our minds), so then free will does exist, as long as someone believes they have it. Nothing is forever, so perhaps free will is just that, a temporary thing brought into exist and taken out by the same source?