Is it still around? I've heard people sell it as "good acid," and I've had some good acid. But asking for ALD52, no one knows what I'm talking about. It is a chemical that was widely available in the 60's under the name "Orange sunshine," and it turns into LSD25 once ingested. Does anyone have any info that may help me?
You've gotten your stories mixed up a little. Orange Sunshine was never ALD-52. It was a 300ug orange barrel shaped dose of LSD. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXAKijc1Vmc"]Underground LSD Lab - YouTube When first prosecuted his defense was that he was producing ALD-52 which was unscheduled at the time. The counter argument was made that in order to make ALD-52 you first have to make LSD-25 so he was convicted anyhow. That defense had nothing to do with orange sunshine though. http://www.erowid.org/culture/characters/sand_nick/sand_nick_biography1.shtml There's nothing in the literature that says ALD-52 "turns into" LSD once ingested. If you feel like reading, here's the whole story of The Brotherhood. http://druglibrary.net/schaffer/lsd/books/belcont.htm
Orange barrels haven't been around since the early 70s. They were good and a good dose, but speedy. You would usually split a barrel with someone. I think the whole barrel was like 350 mics no? My first trip was on Orange Sunshine... But my fav was windowpane. Thank you Captain Clearlight!
I don't think ALD52 is common, it was just a clever way to get around drug laws. ALD was not illegal in the 60's, so if your caught making it's ok. I believe some of the chemists of the 60's were able to avoid jail because when busted they had ALD and were actually able to sue and get their lab equipment back. The only problem was in order to create ALD, you need LSD first. Since ALD is also illegal now I don't see why a chemist would bother with the extra steps anymore.
I heard tell of ALD being sold in Japan 8-10 years ago openly in a headshop as a 'legal acid', unfortunately it was taken off the shelves according to my friend. Obviously this is second hand info, but I think there must be someone in the world making ALD-52, but you would have to be silly to actually sell it instead of acid because making it drastically cuts down on the yield of ones production compared to LSD. For some reason I have heard that Orange Sunshine and any of the later tabs/barrels created by the Brotherhood of Eternal Love were ALD-52, not just one specific run of tabs. EDIT: UA, one doesn't need LSD first to create ALD anymore, just like you don't actually need certain precursors to make LSD anymore. That said, you get MUCH less product from the same amount of precursors and it takes MUCH more work from what I've been told.
From Tihkal ALD-52. 1-Acetyl-N,N-diethyllysergamide. This material has been explored in the 50-175 microgram range and there are a number of human trials reported, with varying conclusions. One found that there was less visual distortion than with LSD and it seems to produce less anxiety and was somewhat less potent than LSD. Another report claimed it was more effective in increasing blood pressure. Yet another could not tell them apart. ALD-52 just may have been the drug that was sold as "Orange Sunshine" during the "Summer of Love" in the late '60's. Or "Orange Sunshine" may have been, really, LSD. This was the focus of a fascinating trial where two defendants were accused of distributing LSD, whereas they claimed that it was ALD-52 which was not an illegal drug. The prosecution claimed that as it hydrolyses readily to LSD, for all intents and purposes it was LSD, and anyway, you had to go through the illegal LSD to get to ALD-52 by any of the known chemical syntheses. The defendants were found guilty. And yet, I do not know who has actually measured the speed or ease of that reaction. If ALD-52 hydrolyses so easily to LSD, and the body is indeed a hydrolytic instrument, then these two drugs should be absolutely equivalent in every particular, This is the ergot equivalent of the psilocybin to psilocin argument, except this is an acetamide rather than a phosphate ester. I guess the chemistry suggests that ALD-52 would convert into LSD-25 once ingested. but yeah, I haven't seen anything conclusive, and we probably never will, it's a mute point. Both LSD and ALD-52 are illegal, and from what I have read, it's just as easy, or easier, to make LSD, so no real motivation for any one to produce it except maybe as a novelty.
I had forgotten this entry in THIKAL, where he proposes the same theory that ALD-52-->LSD like psilocybin--->psilocin. I often see this quoted as fact when in actuality it was his hypothesis. Tho, few people are in a position to argue with Shulgin As for the original comment that Orange Sunshine was ALD.... while it is Nat Geo, they did actually interview Sand and that's why that was posted above. It was LSD, not ALD. Furthermore, the ALD defense was at his trial in 1972. Orange Sunshine went around during the summer of love, 68. I believe that distinction is clear in the book about the Brotherhood as well. Seems like the chronology of the LSD vs ALD defense, Orange Sunshine, the fact that Sand did actually make ALD and other analogues, all got blurred together in the retelling of the story. It was a long time ago so that happens and it's rather moot now.
Some of us would dig it if you elaborated... what was your experience with them and, if you would, compare with other acid of the day?
