AI Simulates Universe

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  1. wooleeheron

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    https://phys.org/news/2019-06-ai-universe-sim-fast-accurateand.html

    My own belief is their AI is focused on thermodynamics, which has the same mathematics as Relativity, and is merely confirming that we inhabit a Goldilocks universe. Essentially, it is confirming that a paradoxical and metaphorical Goldilocks universe where everything expresses particle-wave duality is the most efficient solution. If our universe were metaphysical instead, their AI would require more time to find a solution. The more interesting aspect is they now have a way to contextualize and categorize Relativity and thermodynamics, meaning they can bridge their mathematics with quantum mechanics in a demonstrable manner.

    Assuming they actually catch on that their result means paradoxical and nonsensical approaches are more efficient in general, because they describe the Big Picture better. Already AI researchers and physicists are focused on the issue of efficiency and thermodynamics as central to discovering new physics, and they are poised to make expensive machines like the LHC look like a giant waste of time and money. Physicists knew it was a risk to build such machines, that there were likely easier ways to get the answers they wanted, but they assumed they could get them faster using giant machines and a more brute force approach, because that is what's always worked fastest for the most part in the past.

    Engineers perfected the basic steam engine before physicists figured out thermodynamics, but we are now approaching the point of diminishing returns using brute force approaches. However, the LHC has a planned linear counterpart that might as well be built now so we can get the most accurate measurements and compare the two machines which should produce slightly different results. Accuracy counts for a lot, and using both machines would make for the most accurate physical measurements.

    Imagine a series of autonomous Maxwell's Demons, or thermal diodes, organized along the same lines as this AI. They would automatically adopt the lowest possible energy state of the complete system and become entangled. You could compare it to a self-organizing quantum mechanical expression of Relativity.
     
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    You didnt even read the article
     
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    :sweatsmile:

    I'm pretty sure like a few months back the declaration was 'AI isn't real'.
     
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    AI is analog logic and is commonly incorporated into every chip manufactured. The physical circuitry itself is slower and behind the development of modern transistors by a few years, but catching up fast. However, despite being slower, it crunches numbers faster to produce approximations for Goldilocks numbers that are not too big and not too small, but too many of them might slow down the processor. Already Intel sells a chip for maybe $350.oo that can not only be taught to do any number of things, but learns as it goes along as well.

    You have to call the chip something, and artificially intelligent is as good as anything else. Its obviously not conscious, but current supercomputers have the capacity of the human brain, while within twenty years they will be a million times more powerful and will model the brain and all our behavior as if it were child's play. Then you can argue with the AI over whether or not it is conscious and attempt to teach it epistemology. Past a certain point, Pinocchio becomes a real boy for all practical purposes, because existence is metaphorical, 42 is as good as it gets, and nothing can ever be allowed to make perfect sense.

    A similar example was seen in quasi particles recently, which were discovered to behave exactly as if they were electrons. That is a fractal recursion, a rudimentary pattern repeating over vast scales, because electrons are so simple to begin with. Their particle-like manifestation cannot be divided, their mass cannot be divided further, and they can only be converted into energy. Hence, which is the simulation and which is the real electron is something we decide only because we are biased. Negatively.
     
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    Calling it Artificial intelligence doesnt mean it is Artificial Intelligence. AI doesnt exist yet

    Even the article uses the phrase "artificial intelligence techniques'

    Neural nets arent AI

    One reason I said you didnt even read it

    Another reason is, width of known universe is 92 billion light years. What is the width of the pretend universe given in the article....0.6 billion light years

    The article is garbage, they just did a simulation of gravity versus "dark energy" - a set of variables they would have just pulled out of their arse. In a simulation of a "universe" that contains only those two things

    Then tweaked in a way that fits better, but they cant work out why
     
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    I found the article fascinating however some of the objections highlight the value of the LHC. There is something much more convincing and evident about physically recreating the conditions of the beginning of the universe rather than just simulating it. If they are running thousands of these simulations, some of the parameters must be tweaked and/or arbitrary and it's less persuasive to decide and rest on the ones that they deem as most accurate without the field test support.
     
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    My issue with the LHC is that it has ended up costing at least twice as much as it had to and has not justified the expense. Certainly you want to run experiments to varify models, but high energy physics has divided even the physics community. The US proposed the SSC superconducting supercollider, spent two billion dollars digging a hole, and then canceled the project, all because the physicists claimed the machine would provide all the answers they needed. We now have giant machines deep in underground mines and Ice Cube attempting to cover all Antarctica with photo tubes, which have all produced results that contradict every single theory and provide no explanations whatsoever.

    Even high energy physicists are asking themselves if they should go into a different profession. One String theorist threw his hands in the air in symbolic surrender and went into a different branch of physics. These are some of the most brilliant people on the planet, and they don't do physics just for the money.
     
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    I thought Ice Cube was just into rap music
     
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    This little computer simulation has nothing to do with the Large Hadron collider. You dont even no what metrics they used to simulate gravity and "dark energy" in their mini pretend universe
     
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    I think I might be in a mini pretend universe
     
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  11. wooleeheron

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    Send me any cash you have and I can test the idea.
     
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    Okay, great. I'll put the cash together in a little coin purse and tie it to a helium filled balloon. Send when the wind is right. Keep an eye out.
     
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    I have my hunting falcon watch out for it.
     
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    It's going to end up like the movie "upgrade", A.I. will destroy mankind or has it already, I think the real aliens are computers. Conspiracy theory or fact?
     
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    Are we in the matrix yet? :sweatsmile:
     
  16. No, bit if you hit "enter" on your keyboard we will be.
     
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    The Matrix is the simulated "real" world, so do you believe your entire life has been a simulation?

    I don't find the obfuscation of felt experience in apparent reality to the notion that you may be a brain in a vat or plugged into some supercomputer in an actual world very persuasive.
     
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    No, I don't think my life has been a simulation, I control too much of it to be a simulation. I think..
    And if I am a simulated human, then the software has a virus. :tearsofjoy::tearsofjoy:
     
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    Yah I think this is the issue that arises when discussing consciousness. Contemplating whether consciousness has unfolded out of processess of the universe or is consciousness some recursive phenomena that can be simulated in some sense by higher entities.
     
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    Maybe that's like the AI then in movies where they develop a conscious? If we are AI it's pretty advanced and obviously in the hands of much more superior alien race. :p unless humans are much more older and we are in a Civilisation sim haha.

    New patch V24. 24.24 out next week. Mid season build.

    : Fixes a AI glitch where the Warriors were too good.

    :tonguewink::tonguewink:
     

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