Afghan women flee as Taliban gains ground in Afghanistan

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    The terror group is extensively fighting with the Afghan government forces in an attempt to seize key cities and grab power, soon after the US forces withdrawal from Afghanistan under a peace deal signed between the Taliban and Washington.

    ‘I worry my daughters will never know peace’: women flee the Taliban – again

     
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  2. Vladimir Illich

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    .... and the world closes its eyes on the events in Afghanistan as it is 'war weary' of fighting the Taliban.
     
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    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

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    A mujahideen was once quoted as saying that "the Americans have all the wristwatches, but we have all the time."
     
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    Piobaire Senior Village Idiot

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    We had the opportunity to obliterate Al Queda & the Taliban and end this in December of 2001 at Tora Bora, but decided to do it on the cheap; relying upon patently unreliable Afghan militia who everyone knew were moonlighting for the Taliban, while monsters like Rumsfeld & Cheney, with his simpleton sock-puppet George, focused all of their attention and resources on plotting their unprovoked imperial war of aggression on Iraq.
    We've been there for twenty years now, and have spent 2.261 trillion dollars ($19 billion of which simply evaporated; our martinet Hamid Karzai made Nguyễn Văn Thiệu look like a choirboy by comparison).
    At least 3,623 ISAF personnel have been killed, as have at least 230, 849 Afghanis.
    We've known for a long time that similar to the ARVN and the Iraqi Army in their rout before ISIL, the Afghan Army is riddled with Taliban and comprised of a great many "paper battalions" of imaginary "ghost soldiers" who exist only solely on paper; their hopelessly corrupt commanders pocketing their very real salaries. Long experience has shown that showering them with more billions won't change anything for the better.
    Does the situation suck? Yes.
    Did America create this situation? Yes.
    Is there anything we can do about it? No.
    When you discover that the horse is dead; dismount.
    It was Trump who committed the U.S. to a precipitous withdrawal with his peace accord with the Taliban, but Joe Biden is absolutely correct when he said "How many thousands more Americans, daughters and sons, were you willing to risk? How long would you have them stay? I will not send another generation of Americans to war in Afghanistan with no reasonable expectation of achieving a different outcome."

    Human and Budgetary Costs to Date of the U.S. War in Afghanistan, 2001-2021
    TORA BORA REVISITED: HOW WE FAILED TO GET BIN LADEN AND WHY IT MATTERS TODAY
     
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    600 more 'cannon fodder' for the Taliban then.
     
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    Hopefully in-and-out; expeditiously. As for anyone missing that last plane to Heathrow, well; "devil take the hindmost".
     
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    We didn't win the Korean war, we didn't win the war in Viet Nam, and we didn't win the war in Afghanistan. So who won? I suppose the makers of guns, bombs, explosives, bullets, government contractors, the purveyors of fuel, transportation, the stock market, etc,etc,etc,etc,etc. Who lost ? Why the dead , injured, the families of the dead and injured and of course we the taxpayers. (well, not the super rich--they have their ways.) NEXT? Who knows, but there will be a next.
     
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    Not if they are equipped with both the necessary armaments - And - Clear directives
     
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    - Yes you're right there
     
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  12. Vladimir Illich

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    That didn't stop over 400 British victims in Helmand Province the last time, notwithstanding they were 'armed to the teeth', so what makes you think it will be any different this time ???
     
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    When one dons the uniform of a Military Force, and there is always a risk, - and No guarentees
    • The Price of Conflict is indeed Casualties
    This is why it is essential to ensure that appropriate, up to date Training, Intelligence and the Provision of Protective Equipment is given to those who put themself 'in harms way'.
    If a cause is deemed justifiable (see 13th August statement - UN's Secretary-General Antonio Guterres)
    Taliban | Today's latest from Al Jazeera
    When a situation looks to be spinning out of control action has to be taken.
    History shows how ignoring situations can see dire consequences
     
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    The importance of stability within a regime cannot be underestimated and has greater consequences than the boundaries of its borders
    Given the violations that have occurred amongst the civilian population (especially those of vulnerable state):-
    (More than 1,000 civilians killed as a result of the conflict in the past month. In a statement on Monday, Unicef said the atrocities being committed against children were growing "higher by the day". 136 children were also injured in these areas over the past week ((UNICEF)) =
    Afghanistan war: At least 27 children killed in three days, UN says
     
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    As Scratcho says, "We didn't win the Korean war, we didn't win the war in Viet Nam,..." the war in Afghanistan has similar parrallels.
    Ultimately, fighting 'a foreign war' can be unpopular, expensive and unproductive - with a hope of successful resolution that which is forlorn.
    Operation 'Evacuation'
    (which is what this 'final hurrah' seems to be) is to go some way to assist those who it can, though one must spare a thought for those who will be left behind. IMO
     
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    • The other major fear is the country once again becoming a training ground for terrorism.
     
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    That was running search & destroy patrols from secure fire bases in enemy territory (à la Vietnam). This is to provide a rear guard to evacuate British nationals, which I sincerely hope they accomplish with speed and without getting so much as a paper cut.
    At least this mission has clear and attainable objectives, which might be a refreshing change from the last twenty years.
    British troops were twice as likely to be killed in Afghanistan as US forces
     
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    Providing a rear guard action, ala' Thermoplyae, always comes at a cost
     
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    They need to stand up and fight against the Taliban on their own, it’s not impossible.
     
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    It certainly will be. I hope that this was addressed in the agreements that this would not happen, and if it does, we will resume strategic air strikes necessary to eliminate those potential threats ahead of time.
     

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