Affirmative Action-why hasn't this racist program been stopped already?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by HawaiianEye, Feb 10, 2009.

  1. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

    Let me start by saying I own my own business,and I hire who I want.I could care less about someones background.I hire good people.--However affirmative action is reverse discrimination and reverse descrimination is the SAME as discrimination.I know of no other country other than the US in the democratic world that has such a rediculous program. Question might have been asked before,I don't know.
  2. drew5147

    drew5147 Dingledodie

    This thread reminds me of AwesomeHip.

    I don't mean to equate you with that racist...

    You seem alright.
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    If it doesn't affect your business, why do you have a problem with it?

    Affirmative Action was developed to counteract years of segregation, racism and sexism. Equal Opportunity Employment for agencies receiving federal funds is only fair in my opinion. Receive federal funding... then you agree to promote the concepts the American public believes in.

    How hard can it be today to find qualified minorities to fill a small portion of your opennings?

    Or is it that you wish to discriminate against certain individuals because of their race, religion, or sex?
  4. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

    Because I don't like unfair treatment of people.It's just wrong.And also I think when you have a program that looks at peoples race,background etc. it causes resentment and actually contributes to the problem it was supposed to help.Maybe many years ago affirmative action was an ok idea,but its not needed anymore.
  5. drew5147

    drew5147 Dingledodie

    Because racism doesn't exist anymore since Obama got elected.

    I do agree that it isn't necessary.

    I just had to make that comment.
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    I've worked for federally funded agencies I have never experienced the resentment you mention. It added to the diversity of those employed by the agency. If a white applicant was far superior to minority applicants they got hired. I can't think of any instance when an inferior minority candidate was chosen strictly based on EOE guidelines. Perhaps, you can provide some charts that show that it promoted that sort of hiring.
  7. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    It also takes into consideration gender. Last time I looked Obama was straight and male. But perhaps race is your only consideration.
  8. HawaiianEye

    HawaiianEye Member

    I don't have charts or statistics,I'm not into that.But for example why should a job application even have to ask what someones race is?And if 2 workers of different backgrounds are equally qualified in EVERY way,flip a coin to make the decision on who to hire.Again reverse desrimination is the same as descrimination.
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

    Been my experience with EOE agencies those questions are forbidden to be ask. Not even taken into consideration until after the applicant is hired and working. During annual audits, the accountant does work up the stats. But the hiring committee is never allowed to ask those questions. Perhaps those of you against it could demonstrate how it's been used to reverse discriminate.

    The biggest discrimination I've observed was after taking the Post Office exam and finding out that veteran's were given extra points even if they scored lower. Do you want to do away with that?
  10. I don't think that I've ever experienced it, but I have had to calm a potential employer down once. He was stuck between me and a man for a well-paying job in a porn store, and while he really wanted to hire the man he was afraid of my suing him for sexual discrimination. I knew that the man was the more qualified, and had to break it to the employer that the man was my fiance. We had both applied for the job, thinking that whichever one of us got it the money would be in our account. The poor manager was so happy.

    I liked him, but he got led around by the nose by his female employees. They were always threatening to sue him for harassment/discrimination when he wanted them to clean the arcade booths (aka the Jack Shacks). They didn't want to clean cum, but they wanted to get paid for it. My fiance had to clean it, and still does. They got rid of that one, and had a series of female managers that made my fiance (last male standing) do all of the work (female employees just baby-sat the desk) until they got their current one. We like him. He told the women to go ahead and sue: Lion's Den's lawyers are good enough to take on the Religious Right, so they can beat whatever hack lawyers these morons can get.

    Muahahaaaaaa. . .
  11. earthmother

    earthmother senior weirdo

    Just like the majority of laws, they were made to counteract stupid people. Any intelligent and open minded employer is not going to need someone to tell them who they have to hire. Only people with discrimination issues. Now, personally, I am certain that drug testing is discriminatory and if I were an employer I would NOT drug test.

    I'm wondering what ever happened to hiring based on REAL qualities like experience, job performance, etc. Wouldn't it be nice if you could simply call "customer service", or go into your local convenience store and have the cashier SMILE and be FRIENDLY and HELPFUL? I don't give a damn what color their skin is. Or whether or not they smoke pot! But if I were an employer and living where I do, there is NO POSSIBLE WAY to hire any percentage of dark skinned folks. They just ain't around to hire. Who the hell cares what shade of color your skin is anyhow???? Would you care if I wore a pink dress instead of blue pants? Come on!
  12. heywood floyd

    heywood floyd Banned

    To tell the truth, I think it still is necessary. Of course everyone wants to say that racism has been defeated once and for all and everyone gets along nowadays... but I think that seeing someone who isn't physically like you still has an effect on you, whether you like it or not. I don't think black people are as discriminated against as they were, but I also don't think we're all a bunch of happy campers living in perfect harmony.

    Racism is a complicated thing, it's not as simple as either being KKK/Black Panthers or some perfectly open-minded hippie who doesn't even notice the colour of someone's skin. Racism exists in degrees... and even the slightest degree can make a difference, to the point where someone who probably doesn't consider themselves racist will still make decisions and interact with people with discomfort, fear or prejudice based on race.

    Anyway, who the f cares... last time I checked, most rich people in the world are also white. But I suppose for a lot of people it can be a frustrating obstacle... still, if you're so awesome and so qualified and so wonderful you'll be able to find another job.
  13. Aristartle

    Aristartle Snow Falling on Cedars Lifetime Supporter

    I'm not even sure how Affirmative Actions hurt white anglo men all that much anyway in the long run.

    If you're qualified and in demand, you'll get a job.

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