Link So, with this theory ADHD is related to a gene that functions best in hunter-gatherer societies. In settled societies, there are a different set of genes that should take over, but they don't always. But the author's point is that it's not a disease to have ADHD. It's only a "disorder" because it's culturally unacceptable in settled (and especially industrial) society. It kind of makes sense to me. The need to pay attention for long stretches of time is fairly recent development and a demand of industrial economies. Your thoughts??
What does this have to do with politics? Anyway: This is exactly what I have been saying all along, and if you look at my other threads on this topic you will see I have said almost exactly that. He is right as far as why it's considered to be a disorder. I don't believe it is a disorder. It's a disorder because individualism is at odds with a society that bases human worth around how much money they make and what material possessions they have accumulated. So I still stand by what I said before -- that ADD/ADHD is a made up disorder which is nothing more than a vague series of symptoms and/or personality traits that can be attributed to any number of things and used as a reason to drug children who ask questions and don't conform, making them into zombies. That is what they did to me. I was diagnosed with ADD in kindergarten and placed on ritalin at the age of six, which I was on until it made me so sick and malnourished I had to stop taking it. It also predisposed me to my later drug and alcohol use, because powerful stimulant drugs open up the neural pathways in the brain which make people crave the pleasure that comes from taking drugs. It's funny that we live in society that frowns upon drug use, yet we don't think twice about drugging a child with a drug that's as powerful as cocaine. Tell me you don't see the irony in this. Sorry if I sound angry, but this is a topic that angers me more than most others. I really think it's an atrocity what they're doing to children, and most of the parents are so brainwashed themselves they don't know any better. And again, if you go back to the founders of the modern education system -- John Dewey, for instance, you will see that they believed that the individual's purpose was to serve the STATE. They saw individualism as the number one obstacle to achieving the society where humans are nothing more than resources to benefit the economy. So it makes sense they are using certain personality traits (which most normal and healthy children exhibit) to say they have a disorder, then put them on drugs which literally rewire the child's brain.
I still stand by what I said before -- that ADD/ADHD is a made up disorder It's really hard to reply to this without being insulting, but the disorder exists, and that's scientifically beyond dispute. The title "Attention Deficit Disorder" is a new name for a disorder that's been recognized for a very long time. I bet you don't even know the old name for it. Now, I'll agree that up until the 1990s or so, it was sometimes misdiagnosed. But nowadays, lengthy written documentation from teachers, administrators, parents, a family physician, at least one and often several clinical psychologists (supported with testing) and a psychiatrists order are required before proceeding with treatment. That's been common practice for at least the last decade or two. If you had ever seen a really bad case of it, you couldn't possibly argue that it's not a dangerous and even life-threatening condition. I presume this was posted in the Politics forum because nowadays it's politically incorrect to diagnose at all. But that's due to mythology, not science.
So because some government-funded "experts" say it is a disorder, then it must be? I could just as easily say you're an idiot and that you have a disorder, simply because I disagree with you. I don't have the power to do that, though, nor would I even if I could. Unlike you, I believe in individualism. A person would only find ADD to be a "disorder" if they were staunch collectivists and, like Dewey, believed that the individual's sole purpose was to serve the state. The only reason that ADD could possibly be a disorder is because it is contradictory to what the UN deems good "world citizens" -- that is consumer/producers. I was diagnosed with ADD, so please, tell me why I should be taking ritalin? I have a 159 IQ and have no problems coping, until I have to deal with the zombies in the "outside world" who are content parroting whatever they heard Charles Gibson read off the teleprompter on the nightly news the previous night.
I think this article pretty much hits the nail on the head... http://www.naturalnews.com/001622.html Schoolchildren Are Increasingly Dosed With Both Ritalin and Anti-Psychotic Drugs, Says New Research Researchers from the Children's Hospital at Vanderbilt have found that anti-psychotic medications are being prescribed at an alarming rate for Tennessee children with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, or ADHD. The use of anti-psychotic drugs has more than doubled since 1996, and today children are not only being dosed with Ritalin -- a powerful narcotic drug -- but now anti-psychotic drugs to mask other symptoms related to behavioral disorders. Every time I write about this subject, I can't help but be outraged at the fact that we are a nation dosing our children with powerful narcotics in order to alter their brain chemistry rather than teaching them how to avoid the foods that cause these behavioral disorders in the first place. We don't teach our children how to eat right, nor do we teach our parents how to teach good dietary habits to their own children. Instead, we turn our children into literal druggies by forcing them onto extremely dangerous narcotic and anti-psychotic drugs. In this nation, there appears to be a drug for every problem out there, including undesirable behavior on the part of children. In reality, ADHD is not a behavioral disorder, nor is it some sort of mysterious chemical imbalance in the brain. It is simply the natural effect of pursuing a diet that is very high in refined carbohydrates and very low in optimum nutrition. This dietary pattern almost perfectly describes the pattern pursued by virtually all children in the United States. They load up on high-sugar breakfast cereals, soft drinks, candy bars, sweets, cookies, and desserts, and then, just in case they don't have enough sugar in their system already, when they go to school they get rewarded with more candy and desserts, and they even have the opportunity to purchase soft drinks and candy bars from vending machines that are actually supported and promoted by the school bureaucrats. So on one hand, we have public schools deriving funding from the sale of soft drinks and candy that promote ADHD in children, and then on the other hand, instead of addressing this problem at its source, we have a fast-expanding collection of mental health professionals who are increasingly putting children on powerful narcotic drugs in order to mask the symptoms caused by the widespread consumption of sugars and processed foods. The victims in all of this are, of course, the children themselves, who end up being unable to learn as well as they normally could, since their brains have been dulled by multiple prescription drugs -- and who end up going through the public school system with increased risk for obesity, diabetes and other diseases promoted by the consumption of food ingredients like white flour or refined white sugar. And people wonder why we have such high rates of obesity, diabetes, and drug dependency in our adult population. It's not mystery -- just look at the children we're raising in this country. We're raising yet another generation of drug-addicted, chronically diseased, overweight, brain-numbed zombies -- and proudly declaring it "public education."
Yes, and who writes the criterion they read from?? I wouldn't expect a person who likes Hillary Clinton to have the brain cells to even answer that question, so nevermind. All I can say is that you're not too bright. I shouldn't hold that against you, though. Your mom probably fed you formula instead of breast milk, and you grew up drinking fluoridated water and eating processed food. You can't help the fact those neurons are a bit sluggish.
While a small percentage of kids do have ADHD most are daydreamers, brats or otherwise disinterested in what the schools are offering them. This of course makes the daydreamers, brats and disinterested one non-compliant and possibly detrimental to other around them. The chances are great that these daydreamers, brats and otherwise disinterested children could actually learn to think and not be little plug and play pieces of society the schools are charged with making them.
I wanted to post it in this forum to implicate politics into the equation of mental disorders and what is considered as acceptable social behaviour. This forum is kindda my home base, too. And though the article doesn't have much to do with politics I prefer to tee-off in this forum.
I think it's a very political topic. And my nephew was diagnosed by a kindergarten teacher with it in the 70s. He wasn't hyperactive he could go to theatre with me and sit still for two hours without fidgeting. Yet his mother bought the diagnosis and gave him the pills for over a year. I am not sure why she stopped then, but I am glad she did. He was a zombie. I think it's a matter of incompetent people, some of them teachers working in overcrowded classrooms looking for an easy out a means of control that they don't have to exert any expertise to gain. Or others trying to minimize their own personal incompetence by playing a handicap card. People are individuals some are going to be more active and curious then others, some have never learned coping skills or ever been exposed to limits. How we can allow our children to be diagnosised and dosed during their first exposure to public schools, simply because they don't fit into narrowly outlined standards blows me away. What does that say about the responsibility of the parents to protect and respect their own kids. What's also sad about it is that it remains on that child's school records throughout his/her life, unless the parents can get another doctor to refute the original diagnosis. Even then I don't think the original diagnosis is ever removed from the school records.
Anti-psychotic drugs and the new prediliction of prescriping them for all public school problem children has also been linked with the increase of teen suicides. I don't see how that solves anyone's problems. Except that it's one less kid in the classroom, and for every prescription big pharma benefits. As to it being an evolutionary plus, with this world in the state it's in when US workers have to hold three jobs and multitask in all them, yes probably it may be extremely important just for survival just as it was for the hunter/gathers.
Yes, and who writes the criterion they read from?? I wouldn't expect a person who likes Hillary Clinton to have the brain cells to even answer that question, so nevermind. Is all science part of that big conspiracy that you see when you look at anything besides your own body? It does vary, but for instance, when I worked for an HMO, all medical policy was written by physicians, and based on the latest peer-reviewed scientific studies reported in medical journals. Policies were revised frequently as new studies were done. Our competitors did much the same. Is all science part of that big conspiracy that you see when you look at anything besides your own body? All I can say is that you're not too bright. I shouldn't hold that against you, though. Your mom probably fed you formula instead of breast milk, and you grew up drinking fluoridated water and eating processed food. You can't help the fact those neurons are a bit sluggish. I remember in the thread about contrails ("chemtrailz!!!") when I cited a NASA educational page that explained a very basic science principle that's been known and verified by students for generations, and you called it propaganda, and even referred to it as "nazi.gov" You wouldn't even look at it. And all it explained was the basic concept of humidity. Yet even that was part of the conspiracy, you claimed. If I used Ohm's Law in an argument, you'd just claim that George Ohm was a fascist corporate criminal bent on cheating people out of their current by over-estimating the effect of resistance with a given voltage or something. If you count yourself as the only authority on anything, you can't lose an argument, and can always be right. Congratulations.
Are we to assume that profit making organizations such as HMOs are the grand authority? And I would ask who funded those studies, what studies weren't published because they did not support certain points of view? Just who's mom had the right formula? I don't think rat always thinks he's right, but corporations many times do. And they have way larger marketing teams to support them. I remember HMOs being sold to the US public as the saving grace of health care, I don't think they've lived up to that promise.
Tell me why a kid that can sit through a two hour movie without moving or squirming is diagnosed as hyper? And the pediatricin that prescribed based his prescription on just on the diagnosis of a kidnergarten teacher without dialogue with the the parent, or further information or observation? A teacher just out of college with only student teaching as experience.
Ever thought about what you are doing to these kids? Ever considered Thomas Edison: http://borntoexplore.org/edison.htm Should we have doped him?
Are there standards for diagnosis? Perhaps SunLion with experience with HMOs could provide some links.
Isn't that what kids do? Should we be limitiing behavor, because those in charge of classroom settings can't deal with it. Especially during a chld's first exposure to classroom settings? Should these children be labeled? Should they be drugged to coincide with children that don't have the imagination or initiation to respond to stimuli? How many five year olds have the experience to filter out unnecessary distractions? And what exactly constitutes unnecessary distractions?
The kids I know who are diagnosed with ADHD can sit in front of a video game or wrestling for hours without looking away.
I think parents should actually take adderall or ritalin themselves to see just how powerful of a drug they are administering to their kids. There should be no question of why a child who has been diagnosed with ADHD can easily sit through long movies/tv shows/video games: it's the damn meds! You don't even have to buy into the whole conspiracy theory aspect of this, just focus on the fact of the matter. The sad truth is that these kids are taking dangerous meds (what I like to call "Crystal Meth Lite") pushed by big pharmaceutical corps whose best interest is getting as many kids prescribed as possible. Kids who haven't even hit puberty yet are taking this speedy shit that is throwing their metabolisms way out of balance and causing who knows what other kind of problems.
I've read that ADD tests are very similar to some creativity tests. In elementary school I was singled out as a problem child. I'm not entirely sure why, its been many years since then so its hard to remember. As far as I can tell I was just a little immature for my age at the time, made a couple mistakes, then was singled out for the rest of my time in that elementary school, getting in trouble for things I didn't do or things I did entirely by accident. I would have recess taken away for weeks at a time, so I'd have to sit at a desk and stare at a wall while other kids were out getting exercise and having fun. i was sent to the office more than once without even knowing what I did exactly. The nazi principal would ask what I did, and I'd say I didn't do anything, and he'd slam his fist on the desk and demand to know what I got sent to the office for. When I couldnt' tell him I'd lose more recess. I'm also pretty sure I had a social problem called selective mutism which basically made me terrified to talk to anyone I wasn't very close to in most circumstances. Because of all of this, the school was CERTAIN I had ADD and bugged my mom to get me tested repeatedly. When she finally did I was diagnosed with mild ADD and it was recommended that I take ritalin. Luckily for me, my mother refused to put me on that medication. By the time I was in 3rd or 4th grade I had matured and didn't really have these problems as much, except perhaps the selective mutism, the remnants of which STILL give me trouble today. My point is mentioning all this is that schools will pressure parents to get their kids medicated for any abnormal behavior. I'm not saying ADD does or doesn't really exist, but I can say with confidence that if it does, the percentage of people who actually have it is far less than the percentage of medicated children. Its basically just a scam by the pharmaceutical industry, just like antidepressants, which is another class of drugs that is ridiculously over prescribed. Pharmaceutical companies basically own the medical schools, and they take advantage of this fact to teach doctors that they're doing a good thing when they get their patients addicted to their pills. You'd be just as well off giving your kid a small doses of cocaine throughout the day - its basically the same thing. As for antidepressants, doctors think they are harmless because that is what they are taught in medicals school. The truth is somewhere around 6% of people lack the enzymes necessary for metabolizing antidepressants. This can cause a fatal condition known as seratonin syndrome. In some rare cases it can cause a sleep disorder that basically causes you to act out your worst nightmares - usually this is manifested in the patient murdering his family or loved ones in his or her sleep. I'm pretty sure I'm one of the 6%; when I took SSRIs for the short time that I did I was basically tripping. I was having panic attacks, delerious hallucinations, severe chest pains, vomitting, fainting, etc, etc. When I notified the doctor he tried to tell me the chest pains must have been a psychological side effect. I had never had chest pains before that, but I still continue to have them occasionally long after ceasing the medication. Sorry for the tangent about antidepressants. I just thought it was relevant as long as we're talking about pharmeceutical companies shoving unnecessary medications down our throats.
