I will tell you about stuff I have seen on Internet (probably stoned) but couldn't find it again and would like to have it confirmed. I have an Adderall XR 30mg prescription. Adderall XR is an extended-release formula of Amphetamines salts. The capsules are filled with beads wich I already found a few ways to crush them to powder and break the extended-release mechanism. Altought, there is too much binders to snort it. But I have read somewhere that most of the binders, fillers and all that crap was soluble in Acetone while Amphetamines were not. So you could mix a little amount of Acetone with crushed Adderall XR beads to powder and then filter the solution with a coffee filter to obtain pure Amphetamines salts without all the crap. Is it true? If not is there a way to get rid of all the crap? Ok next thing, with pure Amphetamines salts in my hands I have heard I could make a smokeable freebase form by mixing the Amphetamines with baking soda by dissolving them in distilled water and then heating the solution until all water evaporates. Is it true? If not, is there an relatively easy and not too dangerous way to turn it into freebase? Also if I had pure Amphetamines is there a relatively easy and not too dangerous way to turn it into Methamphetamine HCl or Crystal Meth (Ice) ?? Thank you =)
I can't find my handbook of chemistry and physics at the moment but it sounds possible. Temperature of the solvent is likely to be important too, and you would probably need some sort of filtration device (vacuum). More then likely you will just ruin your pills and end up with a messy glob. Sure there are conversion methods, but none are any easier then your typical synth in the first place. So no it isn't practical.
What I have seen is that binders, fillers and the crap in Adderall XR where soluble in Acetone and the Amphetamines where not, and that, at a ambient Temperature. ...It was also said u could filter the solution in a coffee filter so the non-oluble pure Amphetamines salts won't pass trought the filter, and the rest of the crap would pass trought the filter with the Acetone (because it's dissolved in the Acetone). It sounds pretty logical to me but I saw this randomly on the Internet... and not feeling like trying it until it's confirmed. I was also wondering if it's easier to synthesis Methamphetamine HCl (or freebase form aka Crystal Meth, Ice, ect.) from Amphetamines (Adderall) than from Ephedrine and the other stuff mostly used in illegal synthesis of Crystal Meth. And, wich way was more dangerous (ex : heating toxic and inflammable compounds)? It's because I'm trying to maximize my Adderall's potential since I have some final exams coming and studying is crazy.... Oh and can anyone confirm/correct the freebasing method of Adderall? Hope someone will be able to confirm/correct any of my statements Thank you
Okay if you are really determined to do it and jumped through the hoops to make sure its legal I'm sure it can be done. I doubt that the gain in potency from N-methylation would compensate for the loss in the process and clean up. If you can succesfully remove the time release coating (plastic?) then just basify and extract with organic solvent. This would work for the Amph.sulfate component anyway. Procedures for the methylation can be found if you look hard enough. All of the ones that I am (vaguely) familiar with require toxic reagents and are potentially hazardous. Once converted, the product would need an acid work-up and purification.
i have a CRC (physics and chem handbook), and I can tell you without having to look in it, it won't say what solvents amps are soluble in; that's what the Merck is for. acetone could likely be used to filter off the binders, or better yet, THF (but acetone is probably more accessible for you) . To methylate amps, you'd have to do a reductive amination/methylation; one could feasibly/easily do this with NaBCN3 (sodium cyanoborohydride) and formaldehyde in methanol sol'n, or NaBH4 and ZnCl. the product can be recrystallized from EtOAc or DCM. works for tryptamines, and would likely work for amphetamines as well. (see reductive amination html in rhodium archive) personally, I'd go with No-Doz. I work 12-hour overnight shifts during the summer, and 1 pill keeps me alert all shift. p.s.- ice = 4-methylaminorex. i think you mean "glass" or "crank"
Didn't know "Ice" was a totally different molecule/family... I thought it was Freebase Methamphetamine... or another street name for Crystal Meth... I'm going to go to sleep less stupid tonight lol anyway. Do you if there's any % of loss if I try cleaning the shit off with Acetone?
well ice is a street term, it refers also to pure crystal methamphetamine (crystal meth) but im guessing this methylaminorex is another drug that could have been called ice previously. but yeh crystal meth aint freebase. its crystal of salt. freebase methamphetamine is a thick sort of oily stuff
d,l-Amphetamine sulfate, dextroamphetamine sulfate, d,l-amphetamine, dextroamphetamine are all in my CRC, couldn't find methamphetamine listed. Moot point as there is no big surprise; the sulfates are soluble in water; base amphetamine in alcohol, ether. They also list dl amph as soluble in chloroform. I don't get why it would be a reductive amination. The amine is already there, it was just a question of attaching a methyl group. Just wondering-- much O. chem terminology is confusing to me. Makes much more since then someone going through all that work and the potential hazards associated with it to stretch out an amph script. I wouldn't go over a 10:1 ratio of caffeine to Adderall. Downside: Caffeine greatly enhances over active bladder (diuretic) and insomnia that Adderall might cause. I previously would blame Adderall for insomnia but realized it was almost always in combination with caffeine. Horrible comdown, sleepy, no energy, but unable to sleep. Moral of the story: It is better to take more Adderall than to add a bunch of caffeine, but if you must, take it early in the day.
http://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/n-methylation.zn-borohydride.html both methods are mentioned. the NaBH4/ZnCl method would be the way to go; NaCNBH3 is fairly toxic and expensive, however, it would be implemented in the MDP2P --> amp -->methylamp synthesis
Methamphetamine - Dextroamphetamine (Adderall) Personally I find them to be near identical. Something about your stereoisomers and whatnot. I don't know, I'm no fucking chemist, but I bet you could eat some meth and eat some adderall and have a difficult time telling the difference. I can't.
I'm pretty sure that dextroamphetamine isn't just straight Adderall. Normally, Adderall is a racemic mixture of both the levo and dextroamphetamine molecules. But it's the dextroamphetamine that makes you feel hell of alot better. Pure dextroamphetamine is marketed under Dexedrine. That shit is pretty damn close to meth itself, I agree. They give just pure dexedrine to military pilots on long flying missions, only they called them "go" pills.
Yeah, that shit used to be commercially available for weight loss. Up until fairly recently I believe.
Yeah Dexedrine is so much better than Adderall, but I can never find it. That might be a good thing seeing as the side effects from levoamphetamine keeps me away from speed. It may be harder to get cause they just took it off the market or something, who knows.
My favorite way to do the XR's is to get all the beads into one half (the clear half, with the inside part) and then remove the other part. Put this part up into your nose (beads up), and turn your head real far up so the beads fall straight down and get you fucked up. Works better than a line of them
I've never heard of that being done before TokeTrip. Personally I didn't think that would work as well because I don't believe the time release balls would absorb through the mucus membranes in the nasal passage. I dunno though, I could be wrong.
adderall has dexedrine(dextroamphetamine) in it. it's got four different amphetamine products in it. actually there is no such thing as "pure" dexedrine in a pharmacuetical context because it's got coloring agents and binders, waxes, etc in it. you'd have to be able to remove and filter out the other shit in it to purify it. then if you really wanted to make it even purer you'd have to recrrystalize the amphetamine salts.
