ACID=Enlightenment?

I'll start off by saying I've never had the pleasure of meeting Lucy:love: so I'm hoping to get some legit advice/opinions from the vets rounds these parts.

In my life mary jane has proved to be one of the greatest and most consistent mind-expanders. Everything from developing purpose/clarity and vision I think have been helped in some way for me. Am I right to see acid as potentially being an even more powerful ally? I wld say that I have specific ideas I would want to flesh out using the experience, is that the sort of thing that is possible here?

Im really interested in hearing stories/experiences from anyone here who can maybe see where im comin from.

 

if you decide to take LSD, just "go with the flow." it's ok to have some thoughts on ideas you want to flesh out...but it'll either happen or it won't. especially for your first trip, just take it...try to forget you took it, and see what happens.
SET & SETTING!

 

Acid can be a more powerful ally but those first couple journeys are usually deep voyages through one's consciousness, exploring many new realms. So often what one sets out to gain from it is drastically different than what one comes to learn from it.

But I have set out to improve guitar skills in a certain way before and while it might not end up being exactly what I came to practice on, I have enough grip to be able to explore the guitar and grow on the instrument with the insight LSD has provided. So LSD can be used in a functional sense if that's what you are asking.

 

Oh yeah in my opinion it was extremely 'enlightening' to a certain degree. :sunny:

I felt the (seemingly cliche but sooooo true) oneness with everything and the 'waves' which extended from physical pressure being exerted on my body to my own emotions being something different. Physically-It literally felt like laying inside a thin waterbed with jets shooting down on me ever so gently just to where I could feel them.

That was a huge experience for be because I started to understand those "waves" I was feeling had always been there...like an unseen force that I cant even explain. It's life changing though.

The feeling of oneness and love really changed me though. I used to be pretty anti-social but my 2nd trip really opened me up to other people and I stopped being so paranoid. Even to this day I credit that trip for how social I am and more in-tuned with things I am now.

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I also felt like I understood how the universe works...but that's something I like to keep to myself. I tried to tell my friends and post on the boards about it but it just doesn't come out right. Yin & Yang was a huge thing when I was tripping. It just made more sense than ever. Control vs. Chaos and w/e. I <3'd it regardless.

IMO, try it out, have some fun, listen to some music you like..it doesn't have to be trip music (but it sure is awesome), look at a lava lamp while listening to music (lol), experience nature (right setting) & just have fun with it...

oh yeah, and of course- Always remember to ride the wave.

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-Peace-

 

seeing mental pictures of my thought process one time when i was tripping really changed my life

 

No.

It's just a chemical.

 

same here. i wouldn't call it JUST a chemical. like what weed tends to do, it makes you think about things much differently and much more. one trip i had, i ended up crying hysterically at a combination of things i didnt realize before, it was pretty amazing.
i think it's beneficial because the mentality when tripping isnt obtainable by normal means, and even if your intentions arent met, you will still always learn.
dont go into the trip with those strong intentions though, like porkstock said, try to forget about the intentions, and do things that feel great for you in the present time.

 

Considering that thus far as near as we can tell all conciousness and thought is the result of electrical impulses, chemical reactions and the interaction between the two, who's to say a chemical like LSD can't induce or bring about "enlightenment"?

All states of awareness and all sensations we experience boil down to electrochemical functions, even states of enlightenment.

 

lsd is a chemical that offers enlightenment to some. Also try to take your mind off of the fact that you just took lsd when you do decide to drop it, i find that if i am doing something while i am waiting to come up, it makes it that much better

 

Alot of people mention set and setting, and say that without it being right you will have a bad trip! What would you say to focus on for preparation? I mean I have lava lamp, cool music, black light with posters, comfortable place etc but does any of this really matter?

 

Set and Setting is extremely important! The tripping thought process is so dependent upon your surroundings and your mood at the time. And yes, trippy objects on a normal dose will definitly matter. Groovy posters and blacklights + a lavalamp is gonna be very helpful in giving you good vibes on acid. Like other people in this thread have stated, just go with the flow and you'll have a blast :sunny:

 

LSD does not lead to some sort of permanent enlightenment but it can serve as a tool to break down conditioned ways of viewing yourself and the world.

 

Well hey, I didn't say everything else isn't just chemical and electrical.

All of consciousness is a physical process. One of my favorite topics, as far as amazing myself goes.

 

LSD is an amazing experience. Some people would even go as far to say an experience that everyone should have. That'd be great, but it's not for everyone, however it is for almost anyone interested. Getting myself into LSD, I watched documentaries like crazy and read forum threads such as this. I always recommend the beyond within, which you can find in full on YouTube, or with a simple google search.

You seem like someone who has the right intentions, so if you get the opportunity take it! set and setting play a big role, but I would say your emotional state plays an even bigger role, but I don't know if there is anyway to prove it. The point is, especially on your first experience, make sure your in a good mood, and a safe and nice set and setting. A lava lamp and black light as mentioned aren't required for a good setting, though it would be more fun. Your own home should be fine for example, but note talking to people on acid is even more challenging than while on weed. So a friend, sober or tripping is recommended.

 

I think taking LSD can lead to enlightenment in terms of personal issues, but I don't think that it leads to some kind of shared enlightenment about the universe.

 

Unfortunately, it can make people who have not prepared, or who have taken massive doses think this, even for the rest of their lives. It's very important to keep remembering that you're taking something that can cause delusions, instead of going "nope, this delusion is too real to be a delusion", despite the fact that it clearly is.

However, fortunately, these people are usually much better people in response to their new delusions.

 

On some aspect though, I find LSD as an enhanced reality.. Not just delusions.. Your brain collects its sensory input through the thalamus which is a decision making part of your brain that sends the input to another part of your brain that deals with forming and relating to patterns from memory built by experiences. So when you got turn off a light as an example, you just think about turning off that light. All of your senses except for smell go through your thalamus. What LSD does is block this filter from taking place. You are exposed to 11,000 bits of info per second, but the thalamus decreases it to about 200 bits. So you are in an enhanced reality. This block of the thalamus is wh y you think inso many tangents. Its clearly needed. But this state is however enlughtening, youll think like crazy, and literally have a higher ability of senses, see colors better, taste better. Etc. HOWEVER, your neurons start to fire so rapidly after firing this sensory information that they start to delay and cause this effect known to us as being trippy. Your neurons fire and back fire like reverb on an amp. And thus you are now Tripping. But before that happens your seeing a true world... And even when your tripping it is enlightening to me. You learn don't you roorshack?

 

This is some of what is happening, but not all of it by a long shot.

LSD not only takes off the filters, but makes a lot of things work in abnormal ways. Not only do neurons fire more, new connections grow, different parts of the brain communicate more than they normally would, and all sorts of other things.

Anyway, most of the reason for my answer was the OP's very unintelligent choice of title for this thread.

ACID=/=enlightenment. It's all about how you use it. You can do much of the same in other ways, and even as far as what you can't do other ways, it's not required, or a be-all end-all enlightenment in a sugar cube. It's just one of the many tools to get there, and only does some of what it takes.

One thing that taking acid might enlighten the OP to is the fact that he didn't need enlightenment, he just needed to stop thinking about enlightenment in the terms he has been. Of course, this is a sort of enlightenment...

But meh. I'm rambling. The point is nobody who takes acid to be enlightened will be, or not how they think. There is no legitimate reason to take acid, until you have. (excluding, of course, things like psychotherapy or cluster headaches) I mean, there's only a handful of ILLEGITIMATE ones, but while tripping for the novelty is totally okay, it's not a legitimate reason, is it? But you can't really imagine the legitimate reasons, before taking acid,, even though you can describe them after taking it. And you can think you understand what people mean before you take it, but you don't, obviously, even if you want to find out there's going to be some pretense, and some just wanting to see pretty colours where none exist.

 

Well even though I would agree that wanting to be enlightened won't happen the way you "plan" by taking acid. I don't think it is a bad reason to take it, it shows you want to learn, and that's a good enough reason to me. But OP don't plan your trip, go with the magical nature of impulse you'll had, that is how you will learn. Later there will be things you want to try and then it is okay to, but I would say following your impulse is the best thing you can do to become enlightened.

 

That's pretty deep. :sunny: