abortion (big deal)

I was in a dive the other day, and this guy struck up a conversation, around when I was having my third Pabst (I don't care if you think it's bad beer, I like it and I'm broke most all of the time). sort of a normal guy. it somehow got around to ethics and morality, and he told me he was strongly pro-life and that anyone who murders their unborn child is, basically, evil. in the nicest way possible I informed him that he was full of shit, in my opinion. he got pissed off, muttered something to the bartender, and we sat in silence as he quickly finished his drink and left.

I never get why so many people become upset when someone disagrees with them. but then maybe I shouldn't even waste my time trying to put myself in the shoes of someone who uses words like "evil" with a straight face. :&

maybe it's my failing if I can't get moved to tears over an aborted fetus?

 

Nah, he's simply narrow-minded.. you have the ability to see from someone else point of view and he cant.. which is sad. in my opinion the guy needs to be surprisingly highly dosed. Then he'll know evil.

 

*WARNING completely sexist response*

Personally, I don't like pro-life men. They will NEVER get pregnant or know what it is like to have an abortion. And to call women who have made that painful choice "evil" is insane. I would be afraid he would start blowing up clinics or killing women who had abortions...because in his mind, after all, he is just cleaning up like Jack the Ripper was...

So as a woman I consider him a looney and would probably fear him...

 

I just sat there with my deep Bukowski cool and forgot about him. I don't know why these people talk to me. must be something in my face.

and come to think of it, what is up with pro-life zombies blowing up clinics and killing doctors? haha, pro-lifers killing people...

 

IMHO. Late-term abortions are evil unless the mother is in danger.

 

Abortion is one of those subjects that people don't bend on and refuse to even consider the opposite view. It is a subject I will leave completely alone in barroom or workplace situations.

And daisymae, I have to agree with you. When I see a bunch of men protesting in front of Planned Parenthood I think WTF. What was the bumper sticker I saw not too long ago? "If men could get pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament"

 

Yeah but that doesn't make it ethical. As much as I'd like to kick those self righteous pro-life hypocrites square in the nuts, I'd also like to kick any woman in the nuts who decides to wait until the eight month before sending a knife in to chop up an innocent and fully developed entity.

 

50% of all pregnancies end up in miscarriages anyway, with the woman in question never even realizing she was pregnant to begin with

Because the miscarriage occurs very early on (but after the supposed critical moment of conception) they're usually unaware of the pregnancy and the fetus comes out in the form of discharge.

I'm not trying to be insensitive folks, but should we really spend thousands of dollars to bury a sanitary napkin


Hotwater

 

Who would bring up abortion in a bar?

 

Someone in desperate need of empowerment

What could be more empowering than deluding oneself into believing they're actually saving lives :H



Hotwater

 

People wonder why I don't say much out in public...it's mainly to avoid self-righteous hypocrites like Mr. Pro-Life. God forbid people have open minds and let others make their own decisions.

 

I used to force all of my radical opinions on people.

Now I don't...

Never mind that...

I still do, but with humour and not with a cynical attitude.

 

people just get offended far too easily over dumb shit, i always throw my opinion around.. i tend to think for myself and stand my ground for what i believe in.

 

this guy getting up and leaving you at the bar had nothing to do with the abortion issue... pabst is nasty beer...

 

I'm pro life, although I would never force my views on other people and i would never use the word evil, when my friend had an abortion, I supported her and she doesn't know my views, because she never asked, however I don't need to agree with her choice to be able to give her support.
Sorry you don't like me anymore daisey
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I hope you're not infering that the abortion issue is dumb shit.


And I really believe it's a personal matter, but I will always support the right of women to make that choice. I remember before Roe vs. Wade.

 

yes I would support my friend in what ever choice she made, however I have my own belief in prolife.
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well late term abortions may be a sort of murder, but making an unwanted and unintended child have to be born and grow up knowing that is probably a hell of a lot worse.

but hey, if you hang out in places where they serve stale luke warm beer, do you really expect the converstations to be about rocket science? or anything remotely interesting?

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I don't think anyone is talking about "late term" abortions.

When I say abortion, I am talking about first trimester, later if there is something seriously wrong**



**A friend had to deal with this, the baby was missing the top of its head and would not live after birth. It is not easy to do, and the baby is named and buried. I hate it when people toss around "late term abortions" as though we just up and decide to murder babies that are capable of living on their own. Yes, I know things like that may go on in other countries...but I doubt you would find a doctor in Canada who would do that.
I faced this issue myself. I was told at 16 weeks that my first baby may have Down's Syndrome and was offered amniosentesis(sp), if that had come back positive, I had up to 20 weeks to decide to abort. I cried for days. I could feel him moving at 16 weeks, and I decided not to have the amnio, because of the risk of miscarriage. He is fine.

 

Of course that would be another perfectly valid reason for a late-term, but I just think there should be good reason for waiting so long. When I suggested this to a libber, she went ballistic, so I asked her if she thought it would be ok for the mother to decide on an abortion during labor and she said yes. Fuck that.

Hell I wouldn't even oppose killing an unwanted child up to one month AFTER birth, so long as it is done painlessly. Jack Kevorkian could have really helped in insuring abortions are done humanely, but the same assholes who blow up clinics have him rotting behind bars.