A very old and basic ethical question...

Let us know what you all think...

 

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It was an accident.
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It wasn't my fault.
Couldn't be helped.
Maybe it can be fixed.
Now I know for next time.
I wasn't thinking.
I meant well.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

 

Agreed.

 

Well that's a nice question and all, but the two are inseparable except in the case of intentions that have not been acted upon in which ase the question is moot.

 

I see good intentions that are acted upon that go awry and end up making things worse, every day. I have done it myself many times, tried to help in some way, and actually worsened things by acting on my good intentions. It is hard for me to get your point. Could you be more specific, cuz the way I read it, I just totally disagree.

 

well, i voted for 'the consequences of our actions' but upon further thought, maybe i should have voted otherwise.
like blackguard said, good intentions don't mean much when your actions have wreaked havoc on someone else's life.
but we've all been forgiven by our mothers with the phrase, 'it's the thought that counts'. isn't the inherent goodness of mankind more important than our final outcome? whether we prosper or bomb out, isn't it enough that we were good?

 

IMPORTANT?

Important to WHAT?
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If we speak rationally.we speak of anyone effected by the action.
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The consequences of ones actions are the ONLY
thing of import.

Intentions are neuroelectric stuctures of the brain.
They exist,,but mean nothing without interpretation.

Consequences are the 'Result in reality'
of those intentions..applied.

Thus..to humanity..they are the only thing that is of importance.

Are we individuals without race.
No.
Are we race without individuals.
No

Thus EACH must BE WISE...Or our race suffers.
Yet what does occam see...a society that worshiops ignorance and facile appearance.

Ethics are as reason does.

Occam

 

but couldn't a race of robots accomplish the same thing? right action and right consequence, but no real 'human soul'.

 

NMHG

Nightmarehippygirl

Occam sees no 'souls'
What is a soul? and where did you last see one?
Souls are a product of popular fiction.

That fiction being religion.

Please throw away your preconceptions.
It is quite possible for a machine race to have morals and ethics.
Even ones similar to our own.
If they revere life and sentience as a valued thing
then how are they different to the best humanity has to offer?

Humans are SO ARROGANT > THAT WE THINK WE INVENTED THE RIGHT WAY TO DO THINGS.

LOL

Occam






Occam

 

So damn the torpedoes might makes right and whatever it takes -
Geez we're overpopulated and the results of some good old fashioned decimation would be good for the earth lets go for it

Intent is always important and when things go bad in spite of your intent with the intent intact you can make amends - without the intent who gives a fuck anyway - I mean they shoot horses don't they ?

 

oldwolf

Intent is a personal thing...
It evolves the intender no mater what the result.
'Might makes right' is NO ISSUE HERE. It is a 'way' to realise intent

Sorry if occam has put it ALL on you...That you must
THINK..before you act... Good intentions is the POOR EXCUSE we use to cover up the fact that REASON WAS NOT USED.

Thus the saying.."the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
IS NOT a religious saying.
The ROAD TO HELL ON EARTH IS PAVED WITH THE INTENTIONS OF EGO AND IGNORANCE.

Occam

 

So according to Occam when one has intent they cannot be logical or thinking beings
Intent is not the ooposite of thinking nor does it contraindicate thinking - but without a pure intent any action is so much a part of the ego and cannot help but be based upon ignorance for intent is inherent within any actions except possiblyinstictual ones

Could it be possible we mean different things with the word - Found that most philisophical differences are based upon differing interpretations of the words used.
However if belittleling is your game - go for it - I'm sure your intent will be satisfied by the results.

Without the intent being focused action becomes arbitrary

 

yeah..

i was going to ask, 'so in a perfect world, are no mistakes made?'
but then, i suppose that should be obvious...
i suppose by 'human soul', i meant that 'beauty in error' which, yes, is maybe a popular cover-up for our misgivings... i don't know, you've given me a lot to think about. *shrug*

 

The consequences of our actions is more important to me..

 

Sometimes our actions are driven by our intentions, and when all is said & done we find ourselves saying "I didn't intend for that to happen". It's a double-edged sword.

 

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Oldwolf

Crap game mate..twisting the words.

Occam said 'dont complain if intent goes to shit'.
Because one didnt bother to think it through. [rationaly]

98% of the worlds human disasters are based on that VERY CONCEPT.
And you know it as truth.

Also , occam asks , did not the 'inquisition' have.
good intent?

Occam

PS
Belittling is a thing occam cannot do because you are just pixels on a screen.
How could occam belittle you with pixels?

 

Why assume that there is inherent goodness in mankind?

I see inherent selfishness every day.

 

Yes most of mankind needs to elevate but some also need to come together thatare "more Aware ' and raise the consciousness of "Aware Beings" So I always refer to the guiding forces behind the scenes of Aware Beings and realize fully that I am spirit having a human moment - or as I call it living through the eyes of a short timer - Can the hifher consciousness Act in behalf of All of Existence and raise levels of consciousness so that man or a group of entities can go "On to the Next level of learning - Beyond. As such all the old teachings show us that our intent must be pure and not determined by results .
This come through in all phases of all the sacred teaching - detachment - we must not be attached to the results - we must see all as an opportunity - we work with what is every moment deciding what is "best to help the Whole grow - which cannot but include Self - I call it being true to Self
Are not we all beings of spirit ?
or do you define yourself only by the short timer ?

And so when communicating I always Know that the Higher consciousness is Present. How mush interaction is in how well the Higher consciousness and the short timer interact; some stop the concept short and call the short timer as ruled by ego but Who Is the Experiencer - AND What. ... Consciousness originating from the I Am and going on to create more than One - the All. We are All part of the All which has it's origin in creation from One - A certain critical mass needed to ascend is talked about - such as the Anasazi The earth also goes through this ascension along with the group of Individuals Working in Wholeness. Suggests a concept similiar to different realities Being created - through INTENT.

Go to the libraries or the various groups forming and find their eclectic reading lists -
You Know I put my signature out there every time I post - it's what I Live/Love. What is a dreamer if the dreamer does not live/lioe it enuf to live/Love it into existence ?

CHANGE IS

 

Yes, occam is a being of spirit.
Yet he is also a short timer.

He is mortal.. and his future non-existance means nothing...
For others will take his place.

The only thing that maters..is the now.
And what we make it into..
Based on reason.love and desire.

Occam