A Quick History of Theory: Creationism and Evolution.

Oh yeah, and btw, I don't actually have any theory on why the universe was created, and couldn't really give a damn. I just get iffy about bad literature.

I apologise when I have something wrong, regardless of the topic or my beliefs, not that you even know them. So don't get rude.

 

Unfortunately for you Disarm, You just gave a reasonable, clear and cohesive definition of Science and its Methods.

You gave this to Geckopelli for his benefit.

Your a 17 year old British girl.

This can not possibly go well for you now.

 

im nt 17 im 32 i hav liek 3 baccelars degres in chemystry an yew r jst sum punk kidzor il maek thngs nt go well 4 u if u dnt shut ur face (and a zor for luck)


Things can't benefit those who don't know how to use them. It's like that with knowledge for some people. Anywho, it's summer (I live in NZ at the moment, not the UK sadly). Soon heat/sun will come and I can go outside, and skip and dance and play and not be bothered with people with agendas trying to convince me to either go to jesus, stay away from jesus, believe in the bible, hate the bible, be ignorant, be selectively ignorant, be knowledgeable (another term for selective ignorance), or try and work out how we all came to be. Or, of course, that it's all a lie implanted in my head by the state.

I wish more people would focus on fun things like the last one. Either way, I try for a while, it gets funny, it gets irritating, then it gets infuriating. I'm up to funny, and hoping funny will last till the sun comes out, wish me luck

 

Trust me - Its not me you need to worry about here.
I dont have any degrees in chemistry and even I can comprehend how 'Science Works'.
Unfortunately, This is not necessarily true for every member in here.
Some will 'Vanquish You' by the Critical Methodology of 'Denouncement'.

Anyways.. it was nice to see a 'professional' version of the shit I (and a few others) have been trying to communicate all along.

 

Yeah, professional like a high school diploma. I haven't taken science since I was 14. But this year I decided to do it as a university entrance paper (last year of high school is considered level 3; first year uni level 5; I did level 4 in science as well as a level 5 psychology paper). So, until I get my results in january, I'm as professional as those kids who dropped out of high school without even passing level 1 (taken at 15). I did get an A in psychology though! Averaged 84%! yay!

 

Im sure I meant to say Academic rather than Professional, but at this time at night, and after my day at word - I dont know what the hell is going on anymore.

Personally, I have just as much fun when Geckopelli is trying to convince me away from Jesus, To Evolutionism, into Equotics, away from facts or whatever the heck he or anyone else is up to here.

I only lose my sense of 'Fun' when I see certain types here demand ANY expression of ideas be 'Censored' or 'Banned' from my (or anyone elses consideration).
At that point the fun stops and a sick feeling inside takes its place.

[You who delete thoughts and censor speech know who you are, btw]

The others who deliberately request that some ideas be 'banned' should feel just as ashamed of yourselves too.

Otherwise, Its all good.

 

LOL

Occam

 

You should have read what came after that post OCcam.. it was even funnier when Geckopello DIDNT (rather- CouldNT) post anything at all.

No matter - someone did NOT like the answer they got and decided YOU should not be able to know about it either.

So its deleted to protect your mind.

LOL indeed!

 

Grasping, Brocktoon ...

Darrell

 

Brocktoon

Well said...Occam gives ALL belief ITS DUE....[possibillity]

Where is the censoring and banning?
Obviously besides the fact that 'razorofoccam' is somehow no
longer a valid username on this forum. Occam has missed something..

Occam

 

Brocktroon

Really..!

Well occam is glad someone is watching overhim
Deflecting ideas/concepts that he is patently unable to handle
That may shatter his feeble mind.

Occam

 

Now why is RazorofOccam invalidated now?!
Ya.. now that he is gone I can say it - his 'stanza's' style of writing was entirely annoying - but banned?!

Now Geckopelli has seemingly been stopped from posting his crazy-ass ramblings?
Its ok.. i dont need to be protected from thoughts - even if they are delusional rants!

How odd.. S.K.I.P. must be going haywire on us??

 

Brocktoon

Well 'occam' is still here...so you have lost nothing...

If it is annoying..it is your inherent right to NOT have to read it..
Why not exercise your rights?

Occam

 

Sometimes I do, Sometimes I dont.
I would rather be annoyed than have someone 'protect my mind' for me by deciding what thinking I can consider or not consider valid, scary, truthful, meaningless etc

 

Brocktroon

Occam was not talking about external censorship..

He speaks of why you read his posts?
No-one forces you... you read them and answer because you want to.
Yet you say his [occams]thinking is incorrect...

Why do you care? If occam is a bald face liar.. how does that effect you..
Not at all..

Individual psychological domination of another...
Is the lowest of the low..
Personal power is why it happens. Ego
EGO is our enemy
"WE HAVE MET THE ENEMY, AND HE IS US"

Occam has no personal power over others...the very idea is abhorrent.
Believe what you wish to believe...
Dont ever be so arrogant as to think that others that do not believe as you wish to believe. Are LESS than you.

Different , yes,, not less..or more
THAT is a small wisdom 30 years [of thought] has taught. [occam]

Occam

 

*loves occam*

 

To use an ever-popular Christian phrase ...

Amen, brother!

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Darrell

 

Thats wonderful Occam and even better when you get 'high fives' from Darrel and Disarm.

Why your telling me this?
Last I checked I wasnt having any 'issues' about reading peoples ideas, replying to them or not?

Better question - why is Darrel 'high fiving' such a statement?
Change of heart?

Anyway, if it makes you feel any better OCcam - if there is anyones posts who get glossed over by me - its your posts.
[no kidding]

 

Brocktroon

Actually it is a blanket post to you to cover allthreads on agnosticism.

it results from comments by you like this...

"So basically i learned absolutely nothing other than 2 halfwits parrot a story"

Who would those you declare as HALFWITS be? Shall occam name them?

Occam

 

Geckopelli did a piss-poor job of 'parroting' a Grade 10 Science 101 Textbook "How the Universe Began'.
He barely bothered to put it in his 'own words'.

Thumbotico offered absolutely nothing except to announce "What Geckopelli Said"

So what we end up with is two people citing (poorly) very very basic assertions about the Universe Evolving.

At least I informed the readership that Natural Selection has LONG SINCE been disregarded as the mechanism for Evolution.
At least I informed people that genetic information is NOT observed to occur, rather LOSSES are observed.

Apparently not one other person in this forum (besides maybe Cabdirraz and BlackGuard??) seem to have been aware of this.

Occam - you havent offered anything either.
You are just as guilty as anyone for simply popping in to 'Declare' Evolutionism is 'Scientific' *because* someone told you it was 'Scientific' *therefore* you announce it is SCientific.

The most 'Evidence' you have offered is an 'Appeal to Authority/Majority' by stating 'The Scientific Community' accepts 'Evolutionism'.

You other contribution is the 'always cute' question "So why did God create the Universe to appear as if it evolved"
Which is -
Nothing more than asserting it 'Looks Evolved' because you imagine it does, *therefore* it does appear to be evolved.

So lets stop 'asserting our positions' and PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS:

EXPLAIN WHY you think a fossil of a Eohippus morphed into a Horse... BESIDES YOU IMAGINE IT DID?

Explain WHERE you read that new addition genetic information is ADDED to a next generation of creature.

Its all good and well for Thumbotico to 'Posture' as the 'No BS' poster
or
Geckopelli to just 'Act' like he is 'Explaining' something
or
Occam to just make BroadBrushing 'Announcement' about 'what is' and what 'does not seem'.

Let talk Science fact and fiction.
If you say Natural Selection is a mechanism - then explain WHY Stephen Gould is wrong.

I have no problem telling you I believe the Earth was flooded.
Im not just 'Asserting' this.
I see Fossil Graveyards.
Real Science is finding millions of lifeforms buried in Sediment.
Thats REAL SCIENCE.

You want to 'Announce' that 'Dust' landed on them for millions of years (preserving even their scales) and then suddenly millions of years of Chalk did the same?

Go ahead.. but DAM WELL SHOW ME WHERE THIS IS OBSERVED AND REPEATED IN THE NATURAL WORLD?

Look.. IF YOU CAN.. Im HAPPY to say 'Oh great.. well thanks.. I didnt know animals developed new genes each generation!'

"Wow.. yes mutations ARE beneficial MORE THAN 51% of the time!"

Instead all I get is "Evolution is SCience because its SCience and you are wrong because your wrong"

annnnnd SCene!