A question?

With the publicity Cher's --now son-- is getting ,I'm curious about her change from female to male. I'm wondering if somehow a penis could be involved or what?----I mean ,what makes her now a man? I don't get it.

 

Genitals don't define somone's gender. Although most people in general society mistakingly believe this is the case, it's not.

I don't know enough about Cher's son/daughter to comment on their gender one way or the other though.

 

If one has female genitals-how can one call herself a man. Just because she wants to? It seems that to change from male to female would be an "easier" and more natural process with hormone therapy,psychological counciling and breast implants. If genitals don't define one's gender--what does? I'm not trying to upset or piss anyone off---I'm genuinely curious as to how one can change from female to male ,other than just taking male hormone shots and then just saying so. Perplexing.

 

Surgery to implant a penis is very difficult.. not saying this ignorantly because I dont know Cher's sons case.. But I would believe the more money you have the better the process will take.
As some F2M transformations become more life threatening than M2F due to complications during recovery.

Her Mind was developed as a male... Therfore she whole hardheartedly believes shes is MALE. And was given the wrong suit during creation.

All transgender people are unique and differ from one to the next.
While Im a transgender person. My desire to be female is only in a mirror, and only during certain time of the yr. While others may want to live out that lifestyle more and more. Many times this may include self injury, because they cant afford surgery. Thus cutting off one genitals and going to the ER.. this is typical M2F problem.

F2M- probably causes alot of mental problems.. And they to can disfigure themselves breasts and genitals. Overdosing on hormone drugs.. ect..
They can create a penis. Even fix one that was damaged. It will not be like the real thing. And I honestly have not seen F2M construction pictures..


http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/15/news/la-heb-penis-repair-07142011

 

Scratcho, I know what you are saying, because honestly I have kind of wondered the same thing. I'm not wanting so get anybody mad or upset either. but, I mean...does she have her inside stuff all removed? and stuff added on? but, I actually know a man that got physically changed into a woman, and even tho' he had his penis removed, I still can't help but wonder about what other surgery he could possibly have, and if he has any physical sensation anywhere there.

Oh well, I am just curious too, and glad that she (he) is doing well now.

 

If genitals define your gender, what am I then? A nothing? An alien from outer space? My genitals were ambiguous looking at birth, so what does that make me?

The key thing here, and what you and many others seem to be completely oblivious to, when discussing this issue, is the real and very physical prescence of someone's brain sex. It's a medical and scientific fact that females have a different brain set up from males. In some (but definitely not all) transsexuals, they have a brain set up more congurent with the opposite sex than that of their apparent birth sex.

Meaning a very high likelyhood that some people labelled transsexual are actually born with a brain sex that is in contradiction with their outer physical sex. Your brain sex cannot be seen at birth, and so is totally disregarded when it comes to designating a baby's sex/gender. But it is no less an important part of what makes up a person's being than their genitalia. As for how can someone change from female to male, I suppose the word there that totally stands out there is "change". For a genuine transsexual, in their eyes, they are not changing their gender at all. They are merely trying to change their outer body as much as possible to bring it into line with the gender that they've always seen themselves as being. To outsiders, yes they are trying to change their gender. But that isn't how the individual transsexual themselves views the situation.

However, only some people labelled transsexual actually fall into the category I described above, so again, I can't comment on Cher's son/daughter's gender, because I know very little about that situation, so I can't really say anything about it.

 

my friend dave now debbie always knew she was a woman in a mans body.she goin' through a body sex change now.but i'd say she's goin' ta make a really bitchy woman,cos the more she changes the more bitchy she gets.but i think it's just cos she thinks thats part of being a woman ha! ha!.anyway i told her that sucks! ,but i'm really happy to see her getting happier becoming everything she was born to be.sometimes people aare just born in wrong bodies by mistake. i think maybe hormones get mixed up or something.

 

Ok. So then I guess in the case of female to male,it's pretty much psychological to consider oneself a male from female. Wonder if male genitals have ever been successfully "implanted'--"attached" to a female? I doubt it. I have a friend who has had diabetes for years and years and he could not get an erection ,so he was implanted with a penile substitute that,in effect ,stays hard or erect. This leads me to believe that female to male sexual physicality would lead back to devices like strap-ons, dildos,ect, which I guess would give a F to M enough of a psychological boost to feel --to their way of thinking--the control that they would feel a man is "supposed" to have. Interesting and probably not as complicated as my ignorance reveals.

 

Invisible---thank you. It IS more complicated. Are you referring to morphiditism?

 

You're welcome.

If you mean hermaphroditism, then no, I didn't mean that. I was born with an intersex condition (many people ignorantly mistake intersex people for being hermaphrodites, even though intersex conditions are actually a totally seperate thing from true hermaphroditsm), which is what caused my ambiguous looking genitalia at birth. Hermaphroditsm is actually a very rare condition, in which the person is equal parts male and female genetically, and has both male, and female reproductive systems.

Intersex conditions are far more common (although still largely unknown to most of the general population due to the medical profession keeping it hidden for many years.), and is usually where a person is mainly one sex genetically, but has a hormonal or chromosomal abnormality that causes them to aqquire physical characteristics of the opposite sex. Resulting in ambiguous genitalia at birth, or other physical sex anomalies. In my own case, I have an XX chromosomal setup, so am female genetically, but I was born with a hormonal defect that meant my body produces higher levels of androgens than a normal female should produce, which resulted in me having ambiguous looking genitalia at birth.

Technically, I know this doesn't really have much to do with transsexualism, although it does prove that what defines someone's sex/gender isn't as simple and black and white as most people believe is the case.

 

Again--it really is complicated. Thank you.

 

i suppose if your goin' ta be born in the wrong body. the transition of body change ops is definitely less complicated for a woman born in a mans body. but as far as sexual activity is concerned, i think although important of course to the person, it is not half as important as their psychlogical well being, as they go through hell being trapped in the wrong body. also i think sex changes should be given free by goverments ta people who can't afford them.cos a lot of people trapped in the wrong bodies opt for suicide, through the depression of feeling so trapped.

 

Yep, it certainly is very complicated. And again, you're very welcome.

 

lol. females are alien species, didn't you know that?

:window:

 

I've often said if men are from Mars, and women from Venus, then I must come from somewhere else, like Saturn... lol

 

maybe your just from an extra special planet

 

Special? I guess that depends on how you define "special". lol But it's definitely not special in a good way...

 

no anything that makes you sad is not special to you in a good way.just thought that if you had your own special planet,then you woul'nt be feelin' special in a bad way.like you could just feel as alien as everybody else does. :alien:

 

Well of course I wouldn't feel "special" in a bad way if everyone else was like me. If I do come from another planet, I wish someone from there would beam me up, I'm tired of being a freak on this planet. lol

 

the only freaks on planet earth are anyone that would ever try ta make you feel like one.maybe theres a less special planet we could beam all them up to. 3, 2, 1...liftoff! ha! ha! thats all them freaks gone. :rofl: