A Possible Solution to Fermi's Paradox?

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  1. Jimbee68

    Jimbee68 Member

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    I have to tell you all, I often do wonder about things like Fermi’s Paradox and its possible solutions. (Fermi paradox - Wikipedia)

    I know in the fictional Star Trek universe, they have this thing called the Prime Directive. That they will not interfere in developing civilizations, the key word being ‘developing’. Is that the consensus among scientists, the primary likely candidate for solution to the question? Or if not that, then what?

    Also, I am not necessarily making it part of this thread. But I did want to say. I do think Roswell, Area 51, and flying saucers is a bunch of nonsense. I am just as rational as anyone else on these boards after all. But I do wonder about Ancient Astronaut Theory (Ancient astronauts - Wikipedia). It does seem at least partly plausible. And seems to me at times, scientists are often too skeptical. They just think because the nut crowd says something, it has to be false. But you know, even a broken clock is correct twice a day. I think scientists should at least study this one. I’m serious.

    Oh, and back to Fermi’s Paradox. I know some of you will say it is because faster-than-light speed (FTL) is not possible. But I again refer back to Star Trek. Even now there are some clever shortcuts. Any good wormhole would be of assistance. Or like Star Trek, if you can’t traverse space fast, why not just warp it? I’m serious.

    Thoughts? Answers to my questions?

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  2. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The possible solution is a universal recursion in the principle of identity. Basically, we do not know the language of nature, and humanity can be considered an infant species, still largely confined to the nest. It could very well be that the entire universe is talking about us right now, and we are totally clueless, because we are complete idiots who still insist everything must make perfect sense to us personally.
     
  3. Tyrsonswood

    Tyrsonswood Senior Moment Lifetime Supporter

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    Fermi’s Paradox is considering intelligent extraterrestrial life existing in the cosmos...

    I'm more worried about the lack of intelligent life on the earth. Seriously. There are some really stupid people on this planet.
     
  4. soulcompromise

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    I don't know. But I guess it sounds a little fictional to me. We would likely see evidence of visitations if there were such a thing; particularly because this planet is unique in our solar system & any one nearby too if I'm not mistaken. :)
     
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  6. soulcompromise

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    :D
     
  7. NubbinsUp

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    Simplest and most likely solution - we showed up after the party was already over. Fermi didn't overlook evidence of contact - he was correct - there is none. However, he over-estimated and miscalculated the probability of contact.

    Where there's life, there's also death. While we like to imagine that our galaxy is teeming with technological beings capable of contacting us, and that some form of earthly human life will be around forever, the flip side is recognizing that all cultures rise and fall, meaning that plenty of cosmic societies likely bit the dust long ago. Our will disappear soon enough also.

    A model released in December put some numbers to these truths, taking into account such things as the prevalence of sun-like stars hosting Earth-like planets; the frequency of deadly, radiation-blasting supernovas; the time necessary for intelligent life to evolve if conditions are right; and the possible tendency of tool-bearing beings to destroy themselves.

    The analysis found that the highest probability of life emerging in our galaxy was about 5.5 billion years ago. That was before our planet even existed other than as specs of cosmic dust. They'd come and gone before our species showed up only 200,000 years ago, developed language only about 30,000 years ago, and now ask: "where is everybody else?"

    If our neighbors had a party, we missed it entirely, because we weren't here to receive an invitation, and by the time we showed up, as improbable as that was, and started thinking about what else is out there, they were already dead and gone. We're billions of years too late to make or receive such a connection. If beings less probable than us should show up in the future, we'll be long dead and gone by then.
     
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  8. wooleeheron

    wooleeheron Brain Damaged Lifetime Supporter

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    The fact we have not detected anything at all, is along the same lines as the earth's composition, moon, orbit, and temperature being perfect for supporting the evolution of intelligent life. Extreme discoveries require extreme explanations, or none at all, for the self-evident truth speaks louder than words.
     
  9. relaxxx

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    Seems like more of a predicament than a paradox to me. Fermi Paradox runs under the assumption that intelligent life will conquer interstellar travel. That there is no sign of interstellar civilizations yet is not a particularly good sign. And let's be real, there is no credible evidence. What, they showed up thousands of years ago to help some primitive people move some stones around and then fucked off? Yeah, sure they did... Consider the odds of your consciousness emerging in a world of a few million VS a world of 7 billion VS an interstellar network of trillions... It's possible, and it has to start somewhere. All we can do is hope that our race can get its shit together and someday break free from this wet dirtball.
     
  10. soulcompromise

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    Thought I'd introduce you two... ;)




    I don't know how Giza was built; nor do I have an explanation for Easter Island's massive stone sculptures, or Atlantis (not to be confused with Georgia's Atlanta), but I think those may be spiritually inspired creations (or even myths in the case of Atlantis). I don't know that interstellar visitors didn't create the pyramids, but I think there are more plausible explanations.

    So for me to say there are beings from other planets travelling here, I would just need something more... I don't know... concrete.
     
  11. Tyrsonswood

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    That was aliens too...
     
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    Do I believe their is life on other planets. Yes I do.
    So I believe that life is more advanced than us. Possibly but how much more or how much less advanced I don't know.
    Do I believe aliens have visited us. Possibly but im not fully convinced yet.
    Do I believe aliens helped ancient civilisations. No i don't I think there would be a lot more evidence than a few sketchy drawings on walls. There would be evidence of items left behind by these aliens. Why would they suddenly leave and not continue to visit and help us.
    I'm still open to suggestions and theories if anyone has any and if I think its good enough to convince me or change my opinion. I will gladly come back on and say so.
     

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