A Discussion Of Non Dual "adviata" Philosophy.

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Meagain, May 29, 2017.

  1. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member

    To become conscious of something that is not conscientiousness itself would mean that consciousness would have to interact with that which it is not. How can an interaction take place between two completely different things?
    If we are conscious of something we can only be conscious of it if it appears in consciousness itself.
    If we are not conscious of something, we can't know if it exists. To say we can't know if it exists is the same as saying it's non-existent.
    If the knowledge of an object only occurs during consciousness of that object then the object can't have it's own individuality. If we can't say it existed before we are conscious of it, and we can't say it exists after we are conscious of it, we can't impart individual existence to it as we can't know it until we know it.

    Thus consciousness/subjectivity and objectivity are in fact the same thing. There is no duality of subject and object as neither can exist without the other.

    Why subjectivity an objectivity appear to be two different things rooted in duality will be taken up later.
     
  2. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member

    Nothing can be known of the objective world without thinking about what is perceived. There can be no recognition of an object without subjective knowledge. Thus there is no distinction between the objective and the subjective.

    However, if we grant that there is a difference it would appear that the objective exists a prior to being recognized by the subjective mind.
    But if that be the case how can an immaterial subjective mind know anything about a material object? A material object can only interact with another material object. But if each piece of matter is independent of another, how can they interact?
    If every object is independent and if we grant that the mind is just another object then how can it interact with other objects?
    Even if independent objects can interact and if the mind is just another independent object, then how can a object form ideas about what it has experienced?

    There can be no experience or interaction between objects without a consciousness of that interaction.
    Therefore subject and object, mind and matter, must always co-exist.
     
  3. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member

    Whew.
    We have seen that objects only appear when thought of. We can't know an object unless we can perceive, and think, about it.
    Moreover our idea of our mind is merely the remembrance of separate thoughts. These thoughts occur in the now moment, and are remembered in the now moment, and this gives us the idea that there is a continuing mind behind them.

    Further can we be conscious of being conscious of being conscious?
    The supposed mind is only the consciousness of perception, it has no objective reality.
    There is no objective mind to reflect on a thought as a thought is not objective itself.
    As we perceive an object, in reality all we do is become consciousness of its perception. Which is really just stating the obvious.

    Your teeth can't bite themselves and you can't lift yourself by your bootstraps.
    Trust me.
     
  4. MeAgain

    MeAgain Dazed and Confused Staff Member

    Non duality is not just the dissolution of the false notion of separate objects, it is also the dissolution of the notion of a separate concept of a separate concept called non duality.

    To proclaim all is non dual is to set up false ideal in contradiction to duality.
    When asked if all is non dual the wise man remains silent.
     

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