A Conclusion On What Acid Does To Your Mind

wow! that is what you just said! i am shocked!

you really believe that’s the way it is eh. maybe that is how you live your life but that’s not how it is for everyone. some of us know how to connect with the infinite wisdom within us. some of us don't need to look around at what everyone else is doing before we decide what we will do. we just know what we will do - we feel it deep within ourselves. a light leading the way.

 

But 3xi, you cant deny that you are the way you are because of the experiences you've had, everything that you have come in contact with has influenced you and in a way shaped you into who you are today and the things that you believe.
Had you been born in a different time, place, family. The things that you believe to be right or wrong would be entirely differently and that's why right and wrong is subjective, because it's entirely dependent on our own experience.

 

if my explanation is not the way it is for everyone, then why is YOUR explanation the absolute truth, as you have previously claimed?

3xi, i dont see any greater wisdom in you than what i see in the next person. your post is a great example of your psuedo-wisdom.
you always get so personal and stoop to a condescending level when someone doesn't agree with you. especially with me. im really sick of it. if you dont agree with me that is fine, but please leave all the bullshit, saracasm, and ego at home.

damn....

 

The substance which composes human thought is actualy a very basic 'material'. And it is material in a certain sense, because it has form. Like anything of this universe which is composed of thought, which takes vibration in order to generate, it has 2 polarities of negative and positive. This dual principle of thought is not breathed into the consciuosness by the mind, but rather it is descending from the soul. Thought never comes from you, you are just a receptive tool for it. To transced thought is to touch the soul, you will see where 'this thought just dawned on me' is born. For an extreme lack of terminology with which to label this substance, one can go with the name thought-trons. They are not exactly infinite in the sense of infinite possibilities, but rather they appear as such because they are circular in form, a bubble, a particle's revolution, if you will. Breaking out of thought is by far the most difficult process for a human to accomplish because thought-trons are the generative power of creativity, or the will to manipulate what is. Creativity does not actually exist in the truest sense of the word but rather it is the aspect of humanity, the aftermath of natural thought process, that links us with being made in the image of God. The mind, at every moment of nonwithdrawn existance, is generating creation within and of itself. But this creation doesnt often lead to external change but rather internal. All of existance is a product of thought, the collective Universal Consciousness, and the ego is what is blocking the way because thought to the ego is like smack to the addict, it is a security blanket that puts a hold on an evil seed planted in the mind and ready to grow. There are also levels of thought-trons, all of them composed of positive, negative, and neutral charges, but in the end they mean nothing. Thought is the most delusional part of us, more so than any external concepts and abstract soilds, liquids, or gas. Never objective, always subjective, and therefor neither right or wrong. Right and wrong are simply the laws of Nature, not of men, what we follow in nature takes us eventually to our own, what we go against in nature takes us to ruin.

 

to some extent perhaps.....but if that were totally true humanity would never evolve....for example let's take slavery....it was accepted by society as a whole until one person thought "hey, this is terrible" and then rallied everyone else to force a change. how about ghandi.....india was accustomed to british rule and no one questioned it. ghandi was raised with that mentality--he became a lawyer no less...but then one day his eyes were opened and look at what he was able to do! mother teresa was raised in the convent in seclusion....until she decided to get her hands dirty...no one programmed her into doing it....she defied church orders at first to do what she did.

most people blindly follow their experience & upbringing....but some us decide to think on our own....decide early on that the universe may be a bit more complex than our parents understood or taught us and seek to push the envelope in thought/conciousness....those are our pioneers.

there are 2 types of people perhaps.....one that accepts disease and one that hunts for a cure.

 

Either by rejection or acceptance of our experiences, we are still being influenced and shaped into the person you are now. Every single moment that you live, you change and so do your views.
If there are absolute right and wrongs, then you would say that what you thought to be right 10 years ago, 5 years ago, 1 year ago, is the exact same thing as it is today, there wouldnt have been any change in your person, but the more we experience, the more we change and so does our views on everything. The fact that there are people who have different opinions on what's right and wrong, is the prove that this is subjective.

 

:beatdeadh this argument over semantics is a bit like beating a dead horse.

i still disagree with you--13 years ago i realized my father's way of life was "wrong" and i ventured very far from it....13 years later and that oppinion hasn't changed...his has....he now "gets" how he fucked his life up...the karma he lives with etc etc...its all come back and bit him in the ass--HARD.

yes our views evolve with age and experience HOWEVER there are a few universal truths--such as, what you put out there you get back.

Autentique: instead of avoiding the issue with vague semantics, answer direct questions --like for example, how would you feel if someone invaded your home, raped everyone in it, and slaughtered your family --village...just like in some places in africa...where entire villages are being wiped out...is that not "wrong" or would you just call it "unfortunate"

sometimes i feel that among the deeply spiritual that start to look at everything as "ok" become very very lazy...like their opposition to judging something excludes them from having to take any action against it.

if you believe everything is "ok" then do we allow things like genocide to continue...because to the slaughtering army their "subjective" view is that its a good thing. hitler thought he was doing a good thing...should we have let him continue?

this bullshit "subjective" talk is very very dangerous & in my oppinion lazy.

 

Never have I said that I have no opinion on what's right and wrong. Neither have I said that everything's ok. I agree that what you put out is what you get back, as there are people who dont believe that. Is not something we can deny, I can think they are wrong, they can think they are right, it is this what makes it subjective.
Answer to your question is, I do think those things are wrong, very wrong and the people who are doing them think they are right. I dont know how you cant understand that.
I've never said that everything is ok, what I'm saying is that what is ok for me, is not ok for the next person. If there were absolute rights and wrongs, if everyone thought the exact same way, well then none of these things would happen, would they?

 

Mara, if the arguement over a term you dislike is in your opinion pointless, why are you continuing it? lol
Nobody here is claiming that murder and rape is acceptable behaviour and if done to oneself or another human being in close relation, being on the defensive causes for emotional reaction. But that doesnt take away from the fact the the opinion you have towards it is subjective and not a solid fact. It is not lazy to not pass judgement on people, it is lazy to remain inactive. But nobody here is saying that being inactive is appropriate, we are simply saying that your position on what is right and wrong is different from other peoples opinions, and is therefor, not fact, it is opinion. Wether someone killing someone is right or wrong is not the same thing as wether or not the Sun will be in our sky tomorrow Mara.

 

of course they would still happen...some people like the feeling of "doing wrong"


let's take a pedafile....they know what they are doing is wrong--most are victims of it themselves....but to them its a compulsion....one that many act on even though they know its 'wrong'

and does it REALLY matter "why" someone does what they do? let's take hitler--poor bastard had MAJOR issues, and then was guided by a psychiatrist & heavily medicated. this psychiatrist is the one who led him to the expiraments, camps etc. this is well known fact that most of what hitler did was under the control of his psychiatrist. he was a victim...but what he did was bloody criminal.

when we talk about the holocaust do we ever mention his psychiatrist? most don't even know that part of the story...others don't care...its HITLER's actions that get discussed...not the fact that he was mentally weak and being controlled....we talk of his evil not his lunacy.

 

how do you take action against a thing without first judging it? how would you know which action to take without first assessing it.....to do that you must make a judgement against the 'thing' to know wether action is warranted.

 

Mara, this is a very simple matter that you are making complex to prove your argument. You take action against someone when you are on the defensive, the judgement is not "this person is a lowlife" or "this person is evil". The judgement is "how can I avoid harm and continue to live my life in the fasion that I desire". You dont have to judge the person, and the judgement of the action is only how to react. When someone is coming to kill you, the way to react is how to avoid being killed, not to judge wether or not the person is right or wrong. This is natural and the thought is an instinct, not an opinion. However, if you are to go track someone down that raped your family member, this is an emotional response and not a life or death defensive response, and though you may feel your justified, you will still go to jail for murder. How is that right? And how is it wrong? It is subjective.

 

that was clear--thank you. put this way--you make sense....the other posts about this subject were not that clear. it made the "subjective" argument seem as though everything was excusable. thank you for clearing it up.

 

seems like you have all forgotten what we were talking about.

according to some of you there is no person who is more wise than the next because right and wrong is subjective and only a matter of opinion.

this of course is coming from people who don't like it when people think that they know better than they do about some truth in life. they recent the people that they should respect.

right and wrong is very real and not at all subjective - that is what right and wrong is.

if i say something that is untrue would i be wrong? what if i thought i was right?

the entire basis for the argument that right and wrong is subjective is to try and prove that i am wrong for thinking that i possess more wisdom than other people. some of you think it is arrogant to think that you are more wise. so desperate to try and prove why i should not consider myself a wise person that you get lost in your own delusions.

if what i say upsets you at all try to imagine that it is only my opinion and that it should not upset you because there is no right and wrong - just opinion. in other words - if what i say upsets you then maybe you should consider that you are 'wrong'. ah whatever,, i have already made my points.

lets just not forget what we are talking about. relayer - people are saying that right and wrong is only opinion. all of our arguments are made to prove that statement wrong. and i am sure we have done a good job with proving them wrong. whether or not you realize or admit it doesn't matter and going on and on about it will only confuse the argument.

as for neodude - if you don't like hearing that someone disagrees with your beliefs then you shouldn't post them in a forum. i mean you no offence - honestly i think that way down you agree with me - you don't really understand what you are saying. i don't honestly believe that you are a person who can't do anything without knowing what everyone else would do. i was trying to snap you out of it - so that you realize that you make up your own mind just like the rest of us.

there are many ways to get from point a to point b. there are millions of different ways that one can live out their life in a way that is right. please do not assume that when i say there is such thing as right and wrong that i am limiting life to only one way. there are many different ways to live out ones life in a good way. but there are many things in life that are either right or wrong. remember this one rule and you will do fine - do onto others as you would have done onto yourself. many things in life are only a matter of opinion and saying that right and wrong is not subjective does not negate that fact.

 

Going on and on about, this is something that both you and Mara have brought up. And I am not one to assume that I know why you two bring this up, so I am going to let is speak for itself. If anyone is actually confused by the posts I made, it would further them in this situation to reread them because they are about as simple as can be. Right and wrong, in my opinion, including this very statement, is simply an opinion, nothing more. There is no written manual that came with the planet Earth in which is contained a list of what is right and what is wrong. These ideas came about by the minds of men who decided that they can not satisfy the insatiable hunger for power and control. For you to say that you are right and I am wrong, refuse to see it in any other light or through anyone elses point of view, and to say that I am confusing both our opinion by furthering the discussion, shows to me that you have a strong desire to be correct in the matter. Which, at the core, shows that you need to command a certain amount of power, out of which nothing beneficial is going to come. 3xi I dont know how to put this clearly to you anymore so than I already have, apparently your wife understood my point quite simply and at least can agree to disagree. The reality is that right and wrong only exist in our minds, not outside of us, and every one of our minds is going to have it's own opinion, it's own judgement, it's own values and it's own morals.
We like to take the easy way out of this discussion by saying "So you believe that a man who rapes a woman is right because he thinks that he is" and claim that calling this a subjective view is lazy, results in inactivity, and is dangerous to the existance of life itself. Sure, I agree, it is not right to rape people, but this is my opinion, shared by many, but not by all, so therefor it is not a fact set in stone. Last time I checked, we evolved from simple conscious life forms and out of language, a sense of community brought on by helping each other through harsh struggles, and a need for advancement of conscious comprehension, morality came about as a result. Not the other way around. Many animals do not go on dates and raise familys, when the mating season comes and they feel the desire to bust a nut, they go sleep with whatever animal is the best they can get, no questions asked. Many animals kill other animals that are typically outside of the usual diet in the foodchain simply caused by instinct, this is how they are. Are you going to say it is morally wrong for a lion to kill an ape because it crosses it's path? This is where we come from my friend, we are animals in nature, we are dog eat dog at heart from our ancestors, and we can evolve to be loving in mind, body, and soul if that should please us. But we are not created loving being, we evolved into them and many people are lagging behind, or in their opinion, more realistic because how they behave is reflected in nature.
Morality is a mental creation from the minds of men and none of us are right. We are not wrong either, we are just opinionated and we are seeking satisfaction, and in the real world, men and women all seek satisfaction in their own personal way and one's personal happyness might be the cause of your personal misery and nothing you can say, do, or believe about being the one who is right is going to change that fact.
Subjective, opinion, dualism. This is the world of human consciousness. Soul and God consciousness are much different but we are not all the same people.
Namaste -

 

here is an example...

imagine you are walking along a dark path at night. you are the first person in a line of 10 people and you are about 10 feet apart from each other. as you are walking along you almost fall in this very deep whole with jagged rocks at the bottom.

what would be the right thing to do? continue walking without warning your friends or should you stop and warn them to make sure that they don't fall in the whole?

this is only one of the many situations where right and wrong is not subjective.

the consequences to our actions tell us whether or not our actions were right or wrong. if there was no such thing as right and wrong there would be no such thing as karma.

 

And what if I was an evil person and my personal enjoyment came from watching people fall into holes? The opposite would be the case my friend. Just because you think it's right to help people, doesnt make it an objective reality that everyone see's it proper to help people. It's still subjective man. And karma is not entirely repremandation and retribution, nor right and wrong actions, its about destroying desire, and just in case you havent noticed, not everyone in the world believes in karma and simply because you do does not make it true. Though I have direct knowledge of karma myself, does not mean that it is true in another person's mind. Opinion, subjective, dualism. Once again.

 

BTW what you are talking about when you bring the word karma into this discussion is not exactly karma, it is called dharma. Dharma is the right and wrong morality that you are speaking of, karma is the pattern matrix which controls your situations and thoughts, desires and impulses.
Namaste

 

exactly,,, when we do something wrong we suffer consiquence and eventually will learn not to do such things. that is how karma controls your situations and thoughts, desires and impulses. through the consiquences to your actions.