9/11 Documentaries

Aside from Michael Moore's film, have you seen any good 9/11 documentaries that uncover the mysteries and events behind the September 11th, 2001 attacks? The reason I am asking is because I plan on sending one of these documentaries to my local cable access station and try to get them to air it. Of course I want to find the best documentary possible, that does a good job in highlighting the facts and uncovering the evidence of government involvement, without seeming too rooted in what one might call "conspiracy theory."

So far I have seen two documentaries, aside from Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11, which didn't cover much of what most people don't already know.

One of the documentaries is 9/11: The Road to Tyranny, by Alex Jones, a syndicated talk-radio host from Austin, Texas, and the mind behind http://www.infowars.com.

The video highlights the proof that terrorism has been used by governments for years to scare people into submission and push policy. This video not only deals with the suspicious events behind 9/11, but also the Oklahoma City bombing of 1995.

Alex Jones does a great job of presenting evidence. But I think Jones himself is a bit too intense for some people, and the documentary tends to use sensationalism and overdramatization in images, music, and Jones' overall tone, which might cause people who are unfamiliar with Jones to look at the docu as being less credible, even if he does show documented proof of almost everything he claims.

Another documentary I recently saw was 9/11: In Plane Sight, by Dave vonKleist. This video focuses strictly on the hard evidence, such as the video footage. For instance, there is discussion of the plane that hit the south tower, which appeared to have a sort of device or pod hooked to the bottom of it. Or the footage from the Pentagon, which shows a hole in the building which is too small to have been caused by a plane as big as the one claimed to have hit the building. There is no physical evidence in the pictures taken just following the attack on the Pentagon that points to a plane hitting the building, as no wreckage is seen. The damage to the Pentagon seems to be more indicative of a missile strike versus an airplane crash, as the government claims.

I am currently waiting for a video to arrive in the mail, titled The Truth and Lies of 9/11, by Michael C. Ruppert, who heads the site at http://www.fromthewilderness.com. The video is not a documentary, but a taped lecture Rupert gave at Portland State University in November, 2001. Supposedly Ruppert does an excellent job in uncovering the facts and providing the evidence behind the attacks and the events leading up to it.

Has anyone seen any of these videos, or can you recommend any good ones to me?

 

I'm waiting to recieve In Plane Sight.

I know what you mean about Alex, I have a hard time selling the ideas, bacuse people don't like the presentation, that's why i ordered the one from Power Hour.



Did you know GCN live carries all the radio programs?

 

There is another excellent video i found through DC++ put out by Michael Ruppert, an ex-narcotics officer with the LAPD who unmasked CIA involvement in narcotics ditribution in the inner city. The video is called The Truth and Lies of 911 and is a tape of the lecture he gave at Portland State University.

 

Heheh....

Didn't you read my thread?

 

Sorry Rat, Its the wee hours of the morning and my ability to absorb whats on the screen is far from optimal. I noticed the first several paragraphs but not the last. My error.


Anyhoo, the presentation he gives is excellent. The start is a bit chaotic with filmed footage of his direct confrontation with John Deutch, former CIA director and other snippets of past government coverups including a brief review of the Kennedy assassination before focussing on the actual presentation he gave at Portland State.

Once he gets into it though, he gives a level and clear presentation based on sound criminal investigative methodology.

 

No disrespect to anyone, but I belive there was a lot of bullshit with the 9/11. Sure a lot of people died, but a lot of it seems like bullshit.


1. How did the terrorists even get on the plane? Didn't anyone find them suspicious?

2. How is it air traffic control or something like that didn't stop them?

3. They took over the plane with box cutters. Box Cutters? What the fuck is that?! There were no police aboard? And who can take over a plane with box cutters? I'd have tackled them. Sure, I might have been cut badly, but if it meant saving a lot of people, then take the risk.

4. Why if these terrorists were so coordinated, did they take all the passengers and put them in back of the plane without a look out, a guard, and where they knew these people would have cellphones or inevitably plan?

5. Isn't it a bit sensational that there happened to be a martial arts expert, and a rugby player on board to stop these men? Seems a bit convenient or staged.

There's just a lot more bullshit that went with this 9/11 business. It's sad that people died, but there's something going on with this situation.

 

The whole thing was a coordinated operation between al-Qaeda and the CIA.

 

Me and my friend were talking about the 9-11 coverup today, all day actually. What we used as arguments are, there is no way a group like Al Quada could infiltrate the US security system, they just aren't good enough or smart enough to do that, also why did the airforce get shut down for the first time in history that day? Why did Bush say that he knew a plane hit the first tower before his photo oppurtunity at the school, than later saying he knew nothing about it until he was told at the school? Why was the US government planning an invasion of afghanistan pre 9/11 and it just so happened we were attacked a few months later after making that plan, by Afghani and saudi arabian terrorists? Why, if al quada ALWAYS takes credit for their attacks, did Osama Bin Laden release only two statements about 9/11, both denying any involvement? Also..The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI don't point to Afghanistan. They come from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and United Arab Emirates. And www.whatreallyhappened.com says: "an investigation in Saudi Arabia showed that the 5 Saudi men were not aboard the four jet liners that crashed in New York, Virginia and Pennsylvania on September 11. "It was proved that five of the names included in the FBI list had nothing to do with what happened," Al-Faisal told the Arabic Press in Washington after meeting with U.S. President George W. Bush at the White House. A sixth identified hijacker is also reported to still be alive in Tunisia, while a 7th named man died two years ago!". Why, did The 19 names of suspected hijackers released by the FBI not even appear on the passenger lists of the hijacked planes? The government ATLEAST let it happen...That is the only explanation that makes sense, If you watch the 7 minutes video...you can see on his face that he isn't suprised by anything. Although, he might be suprised because the crazy NWO guys and the PNAC dudes like Cheney just use Bush as a scapegoat and a puppet for their Policy of New World Order, this goes real deep....

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

I'm glad we have someone else on the team who isn't a blind follower of everything the media feeds them and isn't so nationalistic that they can believe that this goes deeper...into something the government will NEVER let out...and they will kill to keep it hidden....

Peace and Love,
Dan

 

Yeah, it's pretty sad that our government MURDERED all those people and covered it up because they know that so many Americans are mentally conditioned enough to believe everything they hear on CNN, without doing their own research.

Look, we funded, trained and sheltered these people. 9/11 was an inside job and the proof is more than overwhelming. The US government had been using bin Laden for YEARS to push their sick agenda, all the while rewarding the bin Laden family.

I feel sorry for anyone who believes the government's lame excuse for what happened that day. Everyone in the White House should be locked up.

 

I agree completely. Well said, but here's the question that I ask myself that always shuts me up:

What would the US have to gain to kill all these people?

 

I just read an article on Reader's Digest that said they took the plane with a bomb and box cutters. You should read up on the case more.

Well, I guess with a little imagination on your part that would sound reasonable, but from here, it's a pretty dumb assumption.

Still so sensationalistic. And the guy who was a martial artist was going on a business trip, not to be a celebrity.

People died, sure, but it's still a skewed story.

1. These are just theories.
2. I approached this with a civil tone.
3. Was not asking people to believe me, I was just telling people what I thought.

But thanks for your educated reply. Very mature as well. Parents must be so proud.

Nice speech. Read that at your next school assembly. It's cute.

Well, whatever, but thanks for such an educated response.

 

Those bastards who the CIA trained and funded.

Does being sad mean you must stop looking for answers? Does it mean you're supposed to believe everything a criminal like Bush says?

Um, because it WAS agendist.

Who is belittling the victims?

 

I live in NY, the bronx, and I was really close to the WTC, and I saw people cry, and what not, so yeh it hit home, but maybe its easy for you to believe everything the government has fed you like the mindless narrow minded person you are in Cleveland, but when something like that happens so close to you, I find there's nothing wrong with questioning something like that.

And yeah, I am sad, and it's easy for you to claim I'm not because you're such an egomaniacal moronic idiot, it's impossible for you to have a mind and question things.

But until you've been so close to the tragedy, so close to victims and tears, dont make assumptions. It's in poor taste, shows poor intelligence, and it's just stupid. So please, be quiet.

 

They have a lot to gain.

First you must understand that the government has long used terrorism as a means to push policy, hence war. Terrorism causes people to become fearful and submissive, and when this happens people often look to the government for protection.

60 years after the attack on Pearl Harbor, there is now much evidence suggesting that Roosevelt knew of the impending attack and let it happen, thus providing a pretext to enter WW II. Who knows what the US would be like today if we didn't enter the war when we did, and win. Roosevelt knew he had a lot to gain by entering the war, as Bush knows he has a lot to gain by using the 9/11 attacks to push policy over in the Middle East.

If it wasn't for 9/11, we wouldn't have been able to shred the constitution and enact the Patriot Act or "Homeland Security." We wouldn't have been able to invade Afghanistan or Iraq without an uprising, or at least some major protest against it.

In the shortrun, the government has much to gain on both military contracts and Iraqi oil. Our imperialism of Iraq also serves as a launch pad for the US miltary to conduct other imperialist operations throughout the Middle East, in their ever-increasing move towards world domination.

Keep in mind that the Bush Administration's current policy for the Middle East was written out years before the Bushies even took office. This was back in 1998 and was written out in the PNAC documents. PNAC is headed by William Kristol, and ten of PNAC's members now serve in Bush's cabinet.

PNAC stands for Project for the New American Century, which is a neo-conservative think tank filled with some of the most dangerous minds in the world. PNAC documents have called for not only a regime change for Iraq, but also Iran, Syria, Saudia Arabia, and probably eventually, North Korea.

Let me ask you this.... how do you think we would have been able to go to war and enact these offensive measures if we didn't first have an excuse? That excuse was September 11th, 2001.

 

I agree. I see now. Thanks a lot.


Plus, without fear how can they control us, or look for excuses to control us?

Why do you think the media is always announcing an impending terrorist attack? It keeps us in line.

 

Exactly.

Because it instills fear in people. The government wants to keep the people fearful because when they're fearful, they're more accepting of whatever actions the government might take to provide "security," whether that security is in the form of the increased government surveillance here, or military action abroad.

Also, it isn't uncommon for Bush's approval rating to rise by a couple points following one of these phony terror alerts.

Since 9/11 they've been using "terrorism" to slowly strip away our rights in the name of phony security. They're trying to indoctrinate us into this police state, so when martial law does take effect, as I am sure it will sooner or later following another attack, the people will be used to it, therefore accepting of it. It's all a form of mass psychological conditioning.

 

Fascinating. I agree. I'm always hearing every day on the news about the terrorists. "Terrorists are planning something during the summer, will there be another attack, new secrets about the alqaeda and what they have in store for us". soon or later I realized something was weird about those reports and knew that it was all a big plan to get us scared into order and following them.

But, be careful, you might get Cynical Otter started in on you! Oooh!

 

While I dont doubt that Bush ignored the warnings and let them happen...


I'm not riddled by such hate and propaganda, which BTW, exists on your side of the political view as well. The uber-liberal view that reads way more into things that what actually might have happened.

I dont watch FOX and I dont listen or believe any shit that comes out of Bushit's mouth, so you can toss those accusations(that you are thinking) into the proverbial shitbox. I also dont swallow the shit that spews from media sources that are on the opposite end.

The reality is....IS THAT THERE IS THAT MUCH FUCKING HATE FOR THE USA.

9-11 happened because people really fucking hate americans and our government. WE ARE THE GREAT INFIDEL NATION.

It is that simple. Osama hates America and he has made his reasons quite clear. The hijackers of 9-11 are devout Islamic fundies who were Osama's sheep.

They did this because they wanted to. To kill americans, cripple our economy, instill fear, and fulfill religous scripture.

have you ever read the Qaran? It actually says in there that Muhammad wont return to Earth until all Infidels(non-muslims)are either converted or killed.

The Bible has similar passages referring to the coming of the messiah...though theirs pertains to actual land possession.


You can believe all the conspiracy vomit you want to...but that doesnt make you right or factual. it just makes you as sheepish as the those who swallow the puke of Bush and US mainstream media.


Try learning about these cultures, their religion(not all muslims...but the fanatics who twist Islam like Falwell twists christianity), and their hate for the west. Once you do that...you will be able to accept that sometimes, crimes against humanity are incredibly simple and one-tracked.


These guys hated America and their faith allowed for them to not only kill Americans but give them passage to Paradise.


I know Bush let this happen, we all know Bush let this happen...it paved the way for his little Jihad on brown people.

But to actually think all the assinine theories about CIA involvement and bombs on the plane(which Terminal....I knew that already..as a clevelander I probably heard those recordings talking about a bomb on the plane more then you have..but you didnt address the bomb...you bitched about boxcutters..nice try though)Bombs in the Twin Towers, martial artists....blah blah blah....how stupid could you be.


There are angry people in this world. People filled with so much anger, hate, and religious zealous...they would kill and do all they can to ease those feelings.

If killing Americans makes these guys feel better...they will do it...with or without Bush's help.


All I see are you guys actually making excuses...trying to say that these hijackers couldnt possibly have done this in good conscious unless they were brainwashed by US operatives.

I spit on that stupid theory and you guys need to learn about the human behavior and the psyche before spouting off with it.

Humans have been murdering eachother for the larger part of 500k years. Most did it out of religious faith or sheer hatred. The Celts, Picts, and Scythians were obliterated out of hate, fear, and religous intolerance.Hundreds of Native American tribes were annihialated for the same reasons. African peoples enslaved and tormented out of hate, fear, and dogma.

Humans are just that evil to one another.