4-AcO-DMT freebase vs fumarate

So I want to learn what is the difference between these two and method of administration.
4-AcO-DMT Freebase
Can you snort?
Parachute?
Smoke?

Best method with longer duration?

4-AcO-DMT Fumarate
Can you snort?
Parachute?
Smoke?

What is the difference. Is it possible to make it freebase form? If you get fumarate salt what you need to do before taking it safely? is it smarter to wait for freebase? Is the experience same? Thank you fellow psychonauts

 

for oral administration, fumarate seems preferred (it is stronger)
i've not tried freebase though.

if you get fumarate salt, you can eat it as is
you can also snort it i think, but i've not tried it - don't want to. it supposedly doesn't increase potency much, and i just don't like snorting things.

eating it will give the longest duration, 4-6 hours-ish. not exactly sure about that, but i definitely felt it in ~10 minutes with a higher dose.

 

I have both and I can't say if my observations are typical, but I'll throw in...

I've found the fumerate much more potent than the freebase I have. In the order of 3x more.
I've mostly parachuted, a few times mixed in something to drink, and twice snorted the freebase.
Snorting it drastically reduces the psychedelic feeling of it and it feels much more speedy. Shorter duration.
Of all the trips I've had, 30-35mg of fumerate parachuted is my preference.


The only thing I'd add about the FB version... there was a lot of talk about how much potency is lost with FB due to degradation.
I'm unaware of any somewhat scientific experiments to measure loss of potentcy with the freebase. I don't know exactly how long mine was just in a ziplock at ambient temps, but as soon as I received it, it got sealed better and put in refridgeration and I don't think it's noticably weaker than when I received it well over a year ago.

Yes, and vice versa. I don't have links to recipes any more tho. Don't bother unless you just want to try.

Homework, trust your source. Start low (titrate) as we all react differently to these things. Example, a friend of mine tripped way harder on ~15 mg than I ever had on 4aco, at doses up to 40mg of fumerate. Another friend had 25 and barely felt a thing.

No.

The experience is never ever the same with anything. :sunny:

Hope that helps.

 

I have not noticed any loss of potency from FB I have had about 18 months now. The only thing is it turned into brown chunks from the white powder. But I just snap off a piece and trip hard. I have had less experience with furmate but I still found it to be a good trip.

 

^^^do you weigh your dose of freebase? what is it - do you need a higher dose of freebase than fumarate?

 

Different than mine, it was a bit like light tan beach sand and has been the same as the day I got it. I rather like that it's easier to handle than most salts I've handled, less cling.

But I'd say of mine, 50mg of the freebase felt like 20 of the salt.

 

Thank you all for responses. Lets see how fumarate goes I believe this substance is one of the breakthrough psychedelics my research reveals that for now now its time for it to talk

 

what do you mean by "breakthrough psychedelic?"

it doesn't have a breakthrough like DMT or salvia, as far as i know.

 

haha by that i mean one of the profound ones its like discovery of LSD

 

well, then you are correct! it's my 2nd favorite psychedelic behind LSD.

 

I have heard that 4-aco can degrade into psilocin over time so it's possible I don't have 4-aco anymore. The trips feel the same but I always found 4-aco to be very mushroom like to begin with. I do find I need a little of a higher dose with freebase. About 40 mg of freebase to be at the same spot as 30 of furmarate.

 

This is a stupid question i know i know ! but a scale is a must! right? will diving doses in to equal pieces (ofcourse eyeballed) work? ( i know everybody will go really hard on me but) A high dose psychedelic trip is never harmful in my opinion actually it lets you explore deeper with a better headspace and mobility like shrooms or high dose of acid is never lethal! can we say the same about 4-aco-dmt lets keep the topic rolling worst case ill find from a friend hehe

 

You really should have a scale but with 4-aco it can be done. I have tried it a time or two and a high dose of eye balled 4-aco can really be hardcore. You can't do this with every RC though, some can really fuck you up just guessing.

 

i lost my love for 2c family got 2cp on the list thats about it 4aco seems like its gonna be the next generation traditional psychedelic!

 

^4-aco-dmt is badass, extremely visual...2c-p i'm not too fond of, and 2c-p is really unforgiving if you take too much.

 

You already answered your own question.

But that's just it, you don't know what dose does it for you. Play it safe if you're going to mess with this stuff.
IME 4 aces can be pretty variable, with some not feeling much of anything at 25 and others tripping HARD on 15.
Find out what your response is before you even think about eyeballing anything. :love:

Oh and protip: don't go smoking it.

 

use a scale and start low.

25 mg is hardly anything for me. but my friend had a terrible trip on less than that (26 mg dose, but he didn't drink it all). and my other friend had a mild seizure type thing on 30 mg. they were both drinking alcohol prior to dosing though.

anyways..that's a difference of 5 mg
a high dose, whatever it is for you, is VERY intense.

 

Nice i really like the fact that its intense i plan to start 15 than seeing the effects sometimes i find its a good idea to take a good trip even the first time to really get in to it. So during my psychedelic experiences i had some failed trips where i couldnt actually get there the seperation from reality 1- wrong extraction hawaian baby woodrose case really funny name aka argyeria nervosa amazing starting psychedelic so i put 10 15 seeds in fridge next day i take them out and drink the juice i wait wait wait nothing happens also when i did with a friend in fine also fail 2- First acid trip fail i think the first blotter i got was really drained lucy so i couldnt really get in to the wonderland and maybe some other times even with weed haha! so its better to know the levels of the experience like psilocybin