2c-i first time, pffft lil baggy what r u going to do to me

That's what I thought.

I couldn't wait for my scale to arrive so I eyeballed it and thinking back I probably did 40mg of 2c-i even though I meant to do 20-25mg.

I did my best to take any judgmental beliefs about synthetics out of the way and allow for this experience to unfold naturally. The onset felt very mild and I even wondered if I should ingest more. It began around 45 minutes and stayed at the peak for about 4-5 hours and the effects are still lingering but subsiding.

During the onset, I felt a frenetic type of speedy energy and shit started morphing around me like it was made out of clay, to make matters worse it felt like a clinical setting where I was a lab rat and the scientist conducting the experiment had no emotional intelligence. With mushrooms/san pedro I feel a much more natural intelligence where they guide me and get me to relax but with this RC, it blasted my ear drums just when I had sensory overload. I was shit scared, ass in a cold sweat and felt panic like I never did before but managed to keep enough cool to make it through. I was trying to latch onto any shred of reality/goodness but it was difficult. I was going through my kitchen closet and sampling herbal supplements to get a taste of nature-ness, the only other option was to give in to this weirdsville. This was pure psychedelia.

My dog would lick me in the face many times to try to bring me back, he was sensing that I'm in dangerous place but i was shocked at how my heart strings didn't respond to him. I could totally empathise with shitzo patients and wondered if I would ever be the same after this experience.

Anyways I was able to call my cousin and distract my mind with trivial shit until it finally felt managable.

All in all it's a valuable experience, but RC are definitely not for me. I feel that life cannot be created in a lab but it took this experience for me to truly value that and appreciate it to it's fullest so I maybe contradicting myself. I could totally see the value of RC when it comes to artistic expressions but can't see why I would use these over the more heart centering natural psychedelics. Instead of holding my heart I was holding onto my sphincter anticipating this unknown terror-tory. I'm thinking enough fear came out that I should feel more confident in my day to day.

My advice, mind your set/setting/dosage, happy/unhappy experimenting :sultan:

 

dosing without a scale is bad news!

it says i've repped you too recently, but i really wanted to give you positive rep for the word 'terror-tory' haha, that's awesome.

 

Doh, impatience continues to get me!

 

You should never be eyeballing man, unless you have a low known dosage ie: 20 mg, then you could split it into 4 piles of about 5 mg or something like that. It was very hard for me to wait for my scale too but eyeballing 2ce just seemed like a terrible idea, or any 2cX for that matter, the dose curve is just too high. I am also confused to why you took the chem anyways... From your report it seems that you really didn't have that much interest in synthetics and describe fighting the onset and plateauing for awhile before letting it finally take over. This just seems silly to do when you make a conscious decision to alter your mind. Idk, I am not trying to sound preachy or anything like that but I think you should plan your trips better. Not only would it be safer but I think you would get much more out of them, as I believe there is glory for everyone in synthetics!

Take it easy brother.

 

Mushrooms will make you hold on to your sphincter much, much harder than 2c-x can. I can't believe after all your hesitation and trepidation about synthetic psychedelics you just eyeballed a dose of your first one :\ you need to put much greater care into this man. Also judging all synthetics after trying only 2c-i is like judging all natural drugs after only doing caffeine. there's a lot of amazing stuff out there, life changing stuff.

I also don't get your "life can't be created in a lab" logic. First of all, under most interpretations of "life" and "created", yes it can and second, we're not talking about life, we're talking about psychoactive molecules. What difference does it make whether a molecule was forged inside the cells of a fungus or inside the glassware of a chemist? both were produced by this universe.

 

I have done shroom trips that were between 6-9 grams and sometimes i did enter weirdsville but I had a heart connection and just trusted the process. With 2c-i, i never felt this weirdness and the more I tried to relax the more my mind went to dangerous places. I thought the trip would be reminiscent of my san pedro trips. I did not panic but the circumstances felt so strange. I have no doubt in the life altering effects of the 2c-x family.

Will I be back? i don't know, maybe in much much lower dosages, starting at 5mg.

 

The speedy frenetic energy was caused by the substance, I wasn't hyper. I was not resistant or fighting the trip but at no time did I feel like I could totally let go and surf the waves. It wasn't all negative though and I don't want to give that impression. There were some small waves of confidence on the trip where I felt like I was becoming stronger just because i was going through this, and music sounded so beautiful and sharp like as if the singer was right there. When I closed my eyes to meditate then it was even more scary and I felt I could totally get lost in that world.

Trust me, after this trip, no one will be emphasising dosage more than me.

 

2ci is an incredibly analytic psychedelic ime that many underestimate, the detached quality of it often makes it feel cold and I've never dosed it at 40 mgs which many veteraned psychedelic users here have said can be pretty ruthless psychedelia. Many of the synthetics are warmer than 2ci and you may even find 2ci to be warmer on subsequent trips and yah the music enhancement on 2ci is pretty amazing.

It's interesting to read your comparison of the natural psychedelics vs. this foray into synthetic psychedelics.

 

What's your analogy for judging 2ci when you haven't tried it Writer???

 

I didn't mean it's the caffeine of the drug world i was pointing out its arbitrary to do either case

 

Yes, you get me. I did feel cold and the disassociation effect immensly. If the trip stayed at the level where the music was sensoral bliss then I would be praising this compound. But then my bed, carpet, my hands everything started morphing and the cold/dissassociation effect kicked in, along with the cold sweat, the hyper energy i got from this compound wasn't helpful either. You put all those together and it's not a fun trip. I did learn alot about myself though.

Next time I will do 8-10mg and go from there. Also I will be more at comfort next time since I now know the 2c-i territory.

2c-e is next, I will tread real carefully with that one for sure.

 

If you are looking for warm, earthy, heart-centered psychedelics, 2c-i (from what i've read) and 2c-e (from my experience) are not even close to that. 2c-e is even more strange, neutral and alien . . . I think what you are after is something along the lines of 2c-b and 4-aco-dmt . . . in fact I think in general you would like tryptamines much more than phens.

 

'all the modern things
like cars and such
have always existed

they've just been waiting in a mountain
for the right moment'


bjork - modern things


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I was craving LSD because I wanted something to open my mind creativity-wise. I got into the 2c-x family because I can't find LSD and I'm scared of getting Dox or unknown RC on the blotter.

Anyways after experiencing 2c-i I really don't care too much about LSD. I will use the 2c-x family in doses of less than 15 mg because it still does give me a totally different perspective on phenomena compared to any of the tryptamines and that is valuable.

2c-b is next on my hitlist.

 

You are a confusing person I don't understand why doing 2c-i makes you not care about LSD . . . it's like saying now that I've got my first bicycle I never have to get a car in my life! LSD is the super duper grand daddy of psychedelics, it contains within it the entire experience of every 2c-x combined basically. In other words any given 2c-x is like 10-25% the experience LSD can provide you with. And it's so much more than that!

"compare to any of the tryptamines" which tryptamines have you done?

 

I have done shrooms dozens of time but if you mean synthetic Tryptamine Derivatives then I haven't delved into those yet. I'll likely try 4-aco-dmt soon since I have access to it but I have scratched 5-meo-dmt off my to do list, amt doesn't interest me much but I might try it since it's so available. Not sure what other tryptamines are truly worth looking into.

Believe me I would love to try genuine LSD (maybe even buy a sheet) and genuine MDMA but it has to be from a trusted source since I don't want to put toxic shit into my body. I'm not going to be very active in looking around for them because I have grown tired, if they come into my experience then great but until then I have other psychedelics to play around with.

 

If you're looking for "beneficial" or mind expanding experiences, you may find trypts better for that but as many would, I echo Writers comments on lucy.
Having sampled a few PEA's, I'd say they are worthy, 2Ce in particular but they seem to lack in some way in terms of depth. Sort of like a bad recording on a small radio vs a live performance in a fine music venue. Still good if you like the music.
If you don't find much value in shrooms, 4aco may not be qualitatively better however I find it more insightful and mind opening than the 2C's. I wouldn't discount the trypts.
I would though encourage you to keep your eyes open to Lucy in your area. If I'm reading you right about what you'd like to have in your experiences then, as Writer said she's the Goddess.

 

I'm giving you a rep for this, it's pretty amazing this early on you can be able to recognize how various compounds can excel in different ways. I didn't extract such the negative vibe from your tr that others seem to have, it seems like a trip you were not prepared for in ways and as anyone posting in this thread would agree with, sometimes the most valuable trips can be the difficult ones.

2ce is not quite as frentic as 2ci in terms of stimulation but it's a very heavy sensory trip. Go in with some better preparation and I think you'll have a very worthwhile trip.

 

I've had the most beautiful experiences on shrooms, much better than I could even imagine. very spiritual and heart opening. I was thinking 4-aco-dmt might not offer much on place of shrooms but when i can't find shrooms then it's time for 4aces.

Like I said, I'm open for Lucy to come into my life but I'm not going to lose sleep over it. It's like a dangling carrot in front of me that I haven't been able to catch, I just have to let it go until someone just pops up with LSD in hand.

Regarding the absence of MDMA, I will have to do with AMT for now and I'm alright with that. Maybe I can do some therapy work with that.

 

Thanks dude, I'm looking forward to 2c-e, it was actually my 1st choice but I wanted to enter the 2c-x family with something lighter.

The valuable experience that i gained from 2c-i is that I experienced a big jolt and the realisation that I don't know it all, I have alot of experiencing and growing to do, and that is exactly what I needed.