Why Democrats (Liberals) Piss Me Off

Originally Posted by flmkpr

lsd i think the question was do you believe the government should care for its citezens? who should see that our elderly are cared for? how about the disabled? are we as a country to toss them aside?

Clearly there should be reforms in American health care, with somewhere like 40 to 50 million uninsured. There should be reforms in Social Security as well. One problem is that the U.S. government spends more than it has, and the war has a lot to do with that.

I am all for supporting the elderly and nationalized health care, given the disaster of the privatized system which exists in the U.S. Something along the Canadian model would be more humane for Americans.

I also support various programs such as unemployment compensation for those who really need it so as to reduce the hardships for decent, hard-working Americans. Subsidized day care for working mothers also sounds like a good idea for Western nations experiencing declining populations.

However, I don't think I am being unreasonable by saying this is a far cry from the government "taking care of people." As I wrote in the beginning of the thread, there should be a safety net for the more vulnerable members of society.

I say the government should not take care of people in the sense that generally privatization has been a good thing by encouraging competition and thus greater efficiency by corporations. Privatization reduces the scope of government in day to day affairs. I also believe welfare can get out of hand, as I have seen it (to an extent) from first-hand experience. I have a very distant relative who is always pestering my family to stay over and will call when my family members are working because she has too much free time: she doesn't work, obtaining disability or some type of welfare. Yet she is fully capable of working and had no problem dancing at a party pretty rigorously from what I saw.

My concern, and it's something I have observed, is that when the government provides welfare there is a disincentive to work. To give just one example, when I first started college I was layed off from a big company (which was somewhat abusive to workers, I think). I then received unemployment compensation and was able to work the system to get it while I was going to school, and skirting getting reemployed. The fact that the government made money readily available to me (although it wasn't much) gave me less incentive to try hard to find a new job.

im not particurly a balbus fan but he has asked pertinent qustions about your opinion of witch you have avoided!

Honestly I have not found this thread real exciting as of late, and besides, it seems, without me trying to put Balbus down, that he's a little too predictable.

My last post was fairly long but didn't have the passion I thought it should have. Why, why is it that I dislike the notion that the government should take care of people?

My thoughts lead me to the bumpkins of society whose only concern is what the government can give them. They have a preoccupation with the daily affairs in life and do not have any ideals to aspire to. The type of people politicians steer their messages to in order to get the most votes: stooping to a level that appeases the majority. The masses.

The reason why the democratic system is so corrupt is because elections become a circus in which all kinds of promises are made as to what what goodies will be delivered to the people (whether these promises are fulfilled is another issue).

I hate that. Yes I hate that. I hate the illiterate bumpkins who watch TV all day and have no concern for the cultural trends of the nation: "Just give me a politician who will provide that safety net and I am happy!" It doesn't matter if he is a pervert, is morally lax, forges alliances with questionable nations and political leaders, ignores the immigration problems, etc. I am thinking of some of those who voted for Bill Clinton.

The ones who have no theoretical nor practical concern (unlike liberal intellectuals) over issues like racism, sexism, homophobia even. The bumpkins who vote Democrat because you can't have a government supporting the "rich" (i.e., the productive). The ones who you want to leech off of! The intelligent, the productive, those with the blessed genes; the very best of humanity.

I am referring, to a great extent, to the White underclass by the way.

The intelligent, the productive, those with the blessed genes; the very best of humanity.

you are joking, right?

this concept of social darwinism is a freaking joke, and its been proven wrong ages ago.

Originally Posted by Mui

you are joking, right?

This may go against your ideology, Mui, but in Western democracies the most intelligent and resourceful have tended to reach the top.

The communist fixation with rooting out the "oppressive" bourgeoisie of Russia destroyed its most intelligent and productive classes. The communists never seemed to grasp the need of a hierarchy because to some extent we all have different talents and abilities, among other reasons.

Bullshit.. Pure fascist bullshit.. I remember the first time we debated LSD, you even admitted yourself you were a racist... now y ou go off on how you dont like fascists and racism... your ideas change dont they? you know who used social darwinism to justify his means? Adolph Hitler... You claim to be against neo-cons and fascists yet social darwinism is the pinnacle ideology of fascists and neocons.
And its completely false bullshit

"As for the Neocon Social Darwinist belief that the rich are inherently, genetically better than the poor, you can ignore such nonsense. Upward mobility of families in America throughout the centuries proves that Social Darwinism is wrong. Anyone, any family, can prosper if given a chance. The artificial social hierarchy of your class system, imposed from birth, is what cripples self-esteem and skills of the poor, and gives the rich undeserved confidence and opportunities. As Rousseau said, “Man is born free, but is everywhere in chains.”


"I also despise the Fascists, who have no respect for individual liberty, often promote racism through ignorance (it's no secret that neo-Nazis tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale), and display the more primitive aspects of humanity with their blind nationalism."
Gee LSD... you claim to be against fascists and neo-nazis yet you sound like a neo nazi to me. How long ago were you promoting racism? Not that long ago. and now social darwinism? Your words could be coming from the mouth of Hitler himself.

There is no western democracy, only western republics... by the way... and your notion that the most intelligent and genetically better people ... the "superior beings" are at the top... is enough to make me vomit.. you ignore the fact that many people are born into wealth, and many families have a history of benefiting from slavery.

does being a fascist social darwinist jackass make you feel better about yourself? Does it make you feel like an intelligent person, lsd?

Originally Posted by Mui

you know who used social darwinism to justify his means? Adolph Hitler... You claim to be against neo-cons and fascists yet social darwinism is the pinnacle ideology of fascists and neocons.

If you are using the term "social Darwinism" to describe the belief that the most intelligent and resourceful reach the top in a democratic society, then I am that. Adoplf Hitler used brute force to reach the top, and eliminated his opponents -- and he lost the war, leaving his nation to pay heavy consequences (and reparations to this day).

If Adolf Hitler said that 1+1 is 2, then I would agree with him.

Statistically those with the highest IQs reach the top.

Originally Posted by Mui

There is no western democracy, only western republics... by the way... and your notion that the most intelligent and genetically better people ... the "superior beings" are at the top... is enough to make me vomit..

And political correctness is enough to make me vomit, especially when it goes unquestioned.

If you are using the term "social Darwinism" to describe the belief that the most intelligent and resourceful reach the top in a democratic society, then I am that. Adoplf Hitler used brute force to reach the top, and eliminated his opponents -- and he lost the war, leaving his nation to pay heavy consequences (and reparations to this day).

If Adolf Hitler said that 1+1 is 2, then I would agree with him.

Statistically those with the highest IQs reach the top.

Ignore everything else I said.
You are obviously maleducated if you did not already know that belief was social darwinism, that it was created in the 19th century... and that sense then it has been proven wrong many times and is considered a dead theory to many historians.
Adolph hitler used a lot of stuff to reach the top... he was democratically elected, remember... and one of the ideologies in which he perpetuated was that of Social Darwinism... it was an ideology embraced by Fascists across the world...

Statistically those with the highest IQs reach the top

That is complete bullshit... and I challenge you to find any source which says so... you wont find any though, because it is complete bullshit... you are pulling shit out of your ass... there is no statistical evidence which proves social darwinism...

So ignore all my other points... lsd, you are a fascist... i dont care what fucking rhetoric you chant... A social darwinist, openly racist fuck... you cant get much closer to a Neo Nazi than that...

And political correctness is enough to make me vomit, especially when it goes unquestioned

By any means you jackass im not a politically correct person, and I wasnt being politically correct than... america is a republic not a democracy, there is a huge difference... You can claim my point of view is "politically correct" and disregard it if you wish... if that makes you feel better...

For someone who claims to have "superior" genetics, you sure are a fucking dumbass when it comes to knowing history.

What I want to add to this thread, foreseeing that it may get out of hand, is that Mui can use the "f-word" as many times as he wants, can put Malcolm X on his profile, can rant against imperialism and corporate welfare, among other things, and I don't think he's a rebel at all.

You see, this type of aggression (there is underlying aggression, IMO) is socially sanctioned. You are not questioned for being an extreme leftist in just about any of the institutions of higher education. I would know because I have written papers with both left-wing and right-wing views, as I felt the need, and did not get as much of a rise from my more leftish papers.

It does not cross the borders in our society to support Malcolm X, certainly not today, but it's just safe enough to not only be popular but to win praise.

I could have created a fictitious name and posted the same things Mui does, and I guarantee I would win quick popularity.

I can tolerate the attack on my character by Balbus (a super moderator), but from more than one person on the same thread is just a waste of time to deal with. Dealing with teenage Marxists gets old too. We will see how things go here...

Originally Posted by LSDSeeker

What I want to add to this thread, forseeing that it may get out of hand, is that Mui can use the "f-word" as many times as he wants, can put Malcolm X on his profile, can rant against imperialism and corporate welfare, among other things, and I don't think he's a rebel at all.

You see, this type of aggression (there is underlying aggression, IMO) is socially sanctioned. You are not questioned for being an extrme leftist in just about any of the institutions of higher education. I would know because I have written papers with both left-wing and right-wing views, as I felt the need, and did not get as much of a rise from my more leftish papers.

It does not cross the borders in our society to support Malcolm X, certainly not today, but it's just safe enough to not only be popular but to win praise.

I could have created a fictitious name and posted the same things Mui does, and I guarantee I would win quick popularity.

I can tolerate the attack on my character by Balbus (a supermoderator), but from more than one person on the same thread is just a waste of time to deal with. Dealing with teenage Marxists gets old too. We will see how things go here...

Sure, instead of replying to the post, or finding sources for your outrageous claims, you will change the way you respond and turn it into an attack towards my beliefs.
Intelligent.

What I want to add to this thread, forseeing that it may get out of hand, is that Mui can use the "f-word" as many times as he wants, can put Malcolm X on his profile, can rant against imperialism and corporate welfare, among other things, and I don't think he's a rebel at all.

I dont care if you think im a rebel, it's not about being a rebel... its about expressing your opinions.

You see, this type of aggression (there is underlying aggression, IMO) is socially sanctioned. You are not questioned for being an extrme leftist in just about any of the institutions of higher education. I would know because I have written papers with both left-wing and right-wing views, as I felt the need, and did not get as much of a rise from my more leftish papers.

Actually, we are questioned.. just not by other leftists... but by conservatives... fascists like yourself... and neo cons... and those with a conservative ideology are never questioned by those who share their views either...
Honestly i think you are the one trying to portray yourself as this big bad rebel... ooh my opinion is so not accepted by the mainstream... whine whine whine... i never go "look at me im a fuckin rebel!!"... i dont share my views to seem like a "rebel" that is fucking stupid..

It does not cross the borders in our society to support Malcolm X, certainly not today, but it's just safe enough to not only be popular but to win praise.

That is fucking bullshit at its finest... almost more full of shit than your claims that there is statistical evidence that rich people have higher IQs...
which you refuse to find a source for... because it doesnt exist.

Do this test, lsd... get a fucking malcolm x shirt... and parade around town with it... you WILL get nasty looks... you WILL get people arguing against you... it isnt socially acceptable... you might even get your ass kicked... especially if you are WHITE and openly support malcolm x... Even when X was alive it STILL wasnt acceptable... its still not acceptable today...

My intention is not to cross the borders of society, it is only to give my opinions... im not trying to be this huge radical rebellious person that people look up to... Look, these are my ideas, this is why I believe in them... thats all i want to say... maybe spark some thought into people.

I could have created a fictitious name and posted the same things Mui does, and I guarantee I would win quick popularity.

what are you talking about? What name... what quotes... what same things... This is a fucking forum for hippies, of course others who share my views are going to accept it... but those who dont, like you, arent... its the same with anyone... its not about popularity... trust me, im not the fucking most popular guy on hipforums... far from it my friend... sure those who believe in the same things as me will agree with me... but that doesnt mean everyone is so accepting of it...

I can tolerate the attack on my character by Balbus (a supermoderator), but from more than one person on the same thread is just a waste of time to deal with. Dealing with teenage Marxists gets old too. We will see how things go here..

Cant handle the heat? so you post a thread trying to put me off as some kid who just wants to be popular and a "rebel"... fucking bullshit... how about you actually bring some credibility to your belief... why dont you actually go find some sources to back up your claims, instead of ignoring everything I say... putting it off as nothing because of who I am...

Dealing with racist, fascist assholes gets old too... If you went on a forum for neo nazis... try stormfront.org... and posted your bullshit, im sure you would be MUCH more popular than me if I went there and posted mine.


Lsd, your superior genes are not showing.
Why dont you guys only breed with one another so you can develop the supreme race of human beings... Yeah, theres nothing fascist or nazi-like about social darwinism at all

the moment you claimed you were against fascists and racism is the moment I knew you were full of shit...

why exactly have you changed LSDseeker... why arent you spouting the same "im a racist" bullshit like you were before? Why the change in heart?


Yeah there is anger here lsd... lots and lots of anger... nazis murdered many innocent people, neo nazis beat and murder innocent people every day... and for a person who once claimed to be racist and now is supposidly an "Anti-racist anti-nazi/fascist social darwinist who believes that the rich people have "superior genetics" and "higher iqs" ... i think there is a good reason to be angry with you...

you are like "im not a nazi" than you go off and spout the gospel of Hitler among other fascists.