Communism/Socialism and poverty

Originally Posted by StpLSD25

You did say one right?

Yes and you have failed to show one regulation...you linked to a .pdf survey conducted by some inspiring patriotic named 'institute' of which I'm sure I would find affiliated with some right-wing think tank or another if I were to research it, but I'm not going to open a pdf to find out.

BTW, Big Agri corps need reigning in obviously...thats one thing definitely hurting small farms.

Originally Posted by odrab

uumm, helping the mentally ill is obviously another challenge.

"right-wing," you've just told me where you stand. You, must be a liberal (or a leftist.)

I'm a libertarian but I just like to say; I support Liberty in itself. What is your grand idea for government? buy houses,cars and, food for everyone? Because what would really end up happening under communism is; business would leave, more jobs would be shipped overseas and, the National debt will continue to rise. The government will continue to grow. Communism has never been successful, and it certainly wont be in a place like America, where everyone wants the new Iphone!!!

It's time to grow up a little bit. The government can't be everybodies mother, without it being too big, and too invasive. We have too many laws, too many cameras, too much government corruption and, far too much tolerance for a broken system!

Communism has never been successful, and it certainly wont be in a place like America

But the US economy is and has always been capitalist (regulated to varying degrees).

The main difference between capitalism and socialism is ownership of the means of production. Capitalism is private (or individual) ownership, socialism is collective (or group) ownership.

Business can be highly regulated and capitalist (owned by a private individual).

The USSR government owned the means of production but it was not truly socialist because society did not collectively own the means of production. A tiny minority (ruled by a dictator) owned the means of production.

Capitalist America and Stalinist USSR (are/were) both authoritarian (opposite of libertarian).

Ha! you dodge again! You've got nothing but empty rhetoric

"I support liberty itself"

lol....liberatarian huh? go suck ron pauls dick then, I'm done with your fool-ass

Originally Posted by StpLSD25

All a corporation can do is offer you products. Too many (liberals?) think capitalism is at fault. If we had a Constitutional Government, they wouldn't take bribes. The only corporation that is a person in the Constitution, is the press.

So the REAL problem is government involvement. All the way around. Medicare,Obamacare,Wars, Taxes and over regulation. (Another thing which make liberals say 'no' to libertarianism.) But government regulations on businesses, put more pressure and financial burden on small businesses and lets the big businesses slide paying the minimal amount.

I mean people can blame Wall Street, Congress, or whoever. But the real problem lies beyond, there is a select few bank owners and corporate fat cats who control the world resources to a vast degree. Some are politicians, some have connections with politicians.

Something does have to be done with the current system, but not more taxation, more like less government!!!

You're just pissing in the wind with that "less government" republican b.s.. Shrub and the cons doubled the national debt from $5.5 trillion to over $11 trillion in eight years. They destroyed a $300 billion annual surplus in Shrubs first six months. If that surplus would have been used to pay off the national debt, it would only be $1.5 trillion now, and your taxes would be lower. The interest on the national debt is over a half trillion dollars per year. Paying off the national debt at $30 billion per month will take 1500 years to pay off. If you wanted lower taxes, you shouldn't have let Shrub give $3 trillion to millionaires, and waste another $3 trillion on that stupid Iraq war. You can't keep giving welfare to millionaires and creating wars, an just continue to put it on the credit card.

The house republicans just voted to block Obama's curbing of outsourcing jobs to China. That creates more unemployment. Reducing the government creates more unemployment. Destroying Social Security creates more unemployment. Destroying welfare creates more unemployment. More unemployment creates more crime and a prison society. It costs a lot more to keep people in prison than on Social Security and welfare. You're not the solution, you're the problem.

What a stupid argument this has turned into.

Originally Posted by Pressed_Rat

What a stupid argument this has turned into.

Thanks for the two cents worth, but bubble gum is a quarter now.

Originally Posted by rjhangover

You're just pissing in the wind with that "less government" republican b.s.. Shrub and the cons doubled the national debt from $5.5 trillion to over $11 trillion in eight years. They destroyed a $300 billion annual surplus in Shrubs first six months. If that surplus would have been used to pay off the national debt, it would only be $1.5 trillion now, and your taxes would be lower. The interest on the national debt is over a half trillion dollars per year. Paying off the national debt at $30 billion per month will take 1500 years to pay off. If you wanted lower taxes, you shouldn't have let Shrub give $3 trillion to millionaires, and waste another $3 trillion on that stupid Iraq war. You can't keep giving welfare to millionaires and creating wars, an just continue to put it on the credit card.

The house republicans just voted to block Obama's curbing of outsourcing jobs to China. That creates more unemployment. Reducing the government creates more unemployment. Destroying Social Security creates more unemployment. Destroying welfare creates more unemployment. More unemployment creates more crime and a prison society. It costs a lot more to keep people in prison than on Social Security and welfare. You're not the solution, you're the problem.

Firstly, don't automatically assume I'm a republican, cause I'm not!!! Actually I was one of you stupid liberals till your fucking jesus, Obama took over.

(CBS News) The National Debt has now increased more during President Obama's three years and two months in office than it did during 8 years of the George W. Bush presidency. The Debt rose $4.899 trillion during the two terms of the Bush presidency. It has now gone up $4.939 trillion since President Obama took office.

Yeah government spending creates jobs; for the government. They charge us, the people, then build your mentioned "prisons," courthouses, etc. and rob us blind.

People like you are the fucking problem, cause you fail to see that the left and right are in bed together, and working against US.

What's 3 trillion here and 3 trillion there, when the federal reserve just printed 13 trillion dollars and gave it to overseas banks.

Do you honestly STILL support OBAMA after the NDAA, CISPA, NDRP and, the disclose act? After he made it illegal to protest around the secret service?

Yeah, stupid leftist like you are fine with government oppression, as long as it's done by a democrat.

Yeah, stupid leftist like you are fine with government oppression, as long as it's done by a democrat.

I consider myself a leftist who is against government oppression and I’m not a democrat.