Communism/Socialism and poverty

Do you think communism/socialism can be a solution to poverty?? and why?

I want to know your opinions

Yes. No.

Socialism is the closest thing to Soviet Russia, we don't wanna do that again.

Communism is Marxism, if that's what your talking about then yes. Poverty wouldn't exist but then again neither would money. Everyone would either be really poor or really rich, it's a 50/50 for dirt nations and for superpowers like the U.S. it's like in the 90 percentile.

Originally Posted by aesthetic

Socialism is the closest thing to Soviet Russia, we don't wanna do that again.

WRONG!
Try modern day Sweden for an example of socialistic government.

Communism is Marxism.

Wrong again...

Marxism is Marxism
Maoism is Maoism
Stalin-ism is Stalin-ism
and so on...get it?

These very broad concepts of communism and/ or socialism should not be judged solely on the historical uses or abuses...given honest people, any of these systems of government could work...even dare I say capitalism.


Good luck finding honest people to administrate...

as they say,

"power corrupts and absolute power....well, you know the rest...

Originally Posted by odrab

Poverty isn't a problem. Consumerism is.

even worse, programmed materialism + consumerism= poverty of the soul for all income levels...

I don't think it can be a solution to poverty when the statistics show it actually causes poverty. I mean, basically socialism is the redistribution of wealth -- not from the rich to the poor, but from the general population to the state. The state couldn't care less about people's quality of life, and are just fine with making everyone equally poor and dependent on the system for basic survival needs. To me, that is what socialism is in a nutshell. It's about controlling -- not helping -- people.

Also, just look at how in the US, as social programs have increased with time, so has poverty. So if socialism eliminates poverty, it certainly has done a piss poor job of it in the US. Then again, there are many people who will deny that there is any such thing as socialism in America.

As far as communism, like Lenin said, it's "socialism in a hurry." The goals of socialism and communism are the same -- rob the people of their hard-earned wealth (at the barrel of a gun or otherwise), make them dependent, and then they're your slaves. Perfect winning formula for the power-hungry.

If I reposted the exact same thing would it make a difference? You cant even bring up politics without getting attacked, im a strong leftist and was briefly going over examples of philosophies but leaving space in-between to encourage the OP to research.

Dont let people be lazy...

Russia - The closest thing to socialism.
Sweden - The closest thing to china.
Communism - The closest thing to nothing......
Get it?

These very broad concepts of communism and/ or socialism should not be judged solely on the historical uses or abuses...given honest people, any of these systems of government could work...even dare I say capitalism.

You really don't seem like u know anything.

Communism is Marxism, if that's what your talking about then yes.

If I quoted parts of your sentance, I could make the declaration of independence.
Get it?

Capitalism induces greed. That's why the Supreme Court just declared that corporations are people, and money is free speech. If capitalism really worked, we wouldn't have a $16 trillion national debt. Paying that debt off at $30 billion per month will take 1,500 years. The U.S. government has effectively turned us all into slaves. There has NEVER been a true communistic country. True communism isn't run by a small group of dictators. True communism takes care of all the people equally. Capitalism throws millions of people out in the street and in prison. America has more people in prison than any other country in the world, including China which has seven times as many people as the U.S.. China is a totalitarian oligarchy. The U.S. is a representative republic, not a democracy, just ask any republican.

Originally Posted by aesthetic

If I reposted the exact same thing would it make a difference? You cant even bring up politics without getting attacked, im a strong leftist and was briefly going over examples of philosophies but leaving space in-between to encourage the OP to research.

Dont let people be lazy...

Russia - The closest thing to socialism.
Sweden - The closest thing to china.
Communism - The closest thing to nothing......
Get it?



You really don't seem like u know anything.



If I quoted parts of your sentance, I could make the declaration of independence.
Get it?

LOL

Originally Posted by Pressed_Rat

I don't think it can be a solution to poverty when the statistics show it actually causes poverty. I mean, basically socialism is the redistribution of wealth -- not from the rich to the poor, but from the general population to the state. The state couldn't care less about people's quality of life, and are just fine with making everyone equally poor and dependent on the system for basic survival needs. To me, that is what socialism is in a nutshell. It's about controlling -- not helping -- people..

Exactly!!! Socialism and capitalism mixed is what's destroying our country. They send our young men to war, and rob us from cradle to grave with these expenses (from social security to the Iraq war.) But social security is a rip off, we got a shitty deal.

Nothing is every really free. The cost of food stamps, social security and all these other programs, get pushed on low class/middle class people who are trying to better their life.

Do you really think the 1% keeps their money in American banks? Ha! They own American banks and keep the money overseas. If anyone doesn't believe me, have fun telling your grandchildren why the national debt is;

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK The Outstanding Public Debt as of 20 Jul 2012 at 12:48:57 AM GMT is:

The estimated population of the United States is 313,163,306
so each citizen's share of this debt is $50,703.32.
The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
$3.91 billion per day since September 28, 2007!

Originally Posted by rjhangover

Capitalism induces greed. That's why the Supreme Court just declared that corporations are people, and money is free speech. If capitalism really worked, we wouldn't have a $16 trillion national debt. Paying that debt off at $30 billion per month will take 1,500 years. The U.S. government has effectively turned us all into slaves. There has NEVER been a true communistic country. True communism isn't run by a small group of dictators. True communism takes care of all the people equally. Capitalism throws millions of people out in the street and in prison. America has more people in prison than any other country in the world, including China which has seven times as many people as the U.S.. China is a totalitarian oligarchy. The U.S. is a representative republic, not a democracy, just ask any republican.

All a corporation can do is offer you products. Too many (liberals?) think capitalism is at fault. If we had a Constitutional Government, they wouldn't take bribes. The only corporation that is a person in the Constitution, is the press.

So the REAL problem is government involvement. All the way around. Medicare,Obamacare,Wars, Taxes and over regulation. (Another thing which make liberals say 'no' to libertarianism.) But government regulations on businesses, put more pressure and financial burden on small businesses and lets the big businesses slide paying the minimal amount.

I mean people can blame Wall Street, Congress, or whoever. But the real problem lies beyond, there is a select few bank owners and corporate fat cats who control the world resources to a vast degree. Some are politicians, some have connections with politicians.

Something does have to be done with the current system, but not more taxation, more like less government!!!