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Old 07-12-2012, 07:40 AM   #1
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How is Judism, Christianity , Islam brought together under Abraham?
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How come I have hward that they are all Abraham religions? And do they actually contradict that?
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All 3 trace their origin to Abraham, right?
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All 3 trace their origin to Abraham, right?
So I heard they claim....
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Islam is the religion and a Muslim is an adherent of this religion. Muslims believe (if I have this right) very basically that Mohammad was the Messiah...they believe in Jesus; but, that He was conceived by sex.
Mohammad was the son of Abraham.
Judasim followers believe in the entire Old Testament (the Torah) and I personally find this quite interesting that Only Specially Picked males study/learn the Kaballah (unless you are Madonna and can buy your way in). They believe in Abraham, definitely, and consider themselves to be an "Abrahamic" religion. They also think the messiah will come from the line of Abraham. There is a whole group of those that consider themselves to follow "messianic judaism"...and they believe the same thing, basically, that a christian believes - both old and new testaments.
Christians believe in the "whole" bible, that Jesus was/is the Messiah, etc. Jesus came from the line of Abraham, and was prophesized to come from this line since people started recording and collecting what is the bible, and in my opinion, the apocrypha should be included, too. In fact, the aprocrypha WAS included in "the bible" until the 1600's when I guess some of the older geezers decided there was "too much magic" in it and whatever couldn't be proven - like ALL of the other books chosen to remain can be "proven"/pass their tests. However, I digress.
ALL of these religions do have their beginning(s) with a belief in God, Allah, Jehovah, Yahwey (etc) and the messiah came from/comes from Abraham.
That is my best understanding, anyway.
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Well you see, in the beginning, there was god, and god hated man (like he still does). God demanded sacrifices to appease his great thirst for blood, and one day in mecca (in a big rock thing) there was a guy called abraham, who was going to sacrifice his son to appease his evil god-but a wave of particularly strong hate washed over god, and he spoke unto abraham, saying "nah bro, it's cool, just cut half of his dick off, and make everyone else believe exactly the same as you do".

At this point, the religions part in their beliefs. Jews still chop up their sons dicks to appease god, while christians have decided that killing jesus (yeshua) saved all of our dicks. Muslims decided that muhammad was born of one of the dickless spawn of abraham, and added to and codified (through his literate christian wife, because he himself was an ignorant illiterate pedophile camel jocky) the word of god as it relates to dicks and all else.

Ironically, christians practice circumcision in modern america, which would seem to be a surefire way to anger god by ignoring his great sacrifice of his OWN son.......

*EDIT* if you think this post is sarcasm, do some research before saying anything, a billion people have beat you to the punch, but it's not, it's the fact.
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RooRshack, I am surprised and actually appalled at that ^ mess that you just said. I know free speech and all that. bla bla bla

Still, tho...c'mon now. That is not only unnecessary, but I have NEVER EVER heard that Abraham's "hand being stilled by the angel" and therefore NOT killing his son has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with being circumcised or not.

Is that something you just thought up to go with the rest of the hot mess you said or is there actually some kind of indication IN THE BIBLE as relates to Abraham and circumcision?

I can understand trying to be cute, and funny and all that jazz, but really.
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Well you see, in the beginning, there was god, and god hated man (like he still does). God demanded sacrifices to appease his great thirst for blood, and one day in mecca (in a big rock thing) there was a guy called abraham, who was going to sacrifice his son to appease his evil god-but a wave of particularly strong hate washed over god, and he spoke unto abraham, saying "nah bro, it's cool, just cut half of his dick off, and make everyone else believe exactly the same as you do".

At this point, the religions part in their beliefs. Jews still chop up their sons dicks to appease god, while christians have decided that killing jesus (yeshua) saved all of our dicks. Muslims decided that muhammad was born of one of the dickless spawn of abraham, and added to and codified (through his literate christian wife, because he himself was an ignorant illiterate pedophile camel jocky) the word of god as it relates to dicks and all else.

Ironically, christians practice circumcision in modern america, which would seem to be a surefire way to anger god by ignoring his great sacrifice of his OWN son.......
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thanks lynn brown for covering that... I would not have been as polite.

also your summary above was basic, so I'll add a few details if that is ok.

In the old testament, God promised Abraham a child in his old age (he was 90 I think). His wife Sarah laughed at this, and gave her maid servant to abraham and Abraham slept with her. They had a child Ishmael. Than Abraham and Sarah had a son named Issac.

Now here's the problem: Muslims believe that the child of God's promise is Ishmael as the first born of Abraham. There are a lot of thing that go along with the promise, including blessings and the land that the Jews and Muslims fight over in the middle east.

Jews believe that the promise was given to Abraham and Sarah, so their son Issac was the son of the promise. Christians, as a sect of Judaism (in other words Christianity originally started as a small part of the Jewish religion) also agree with this view.

There are a lot of other details, but that covers the main point. Hope it helps

As far as what was said above, circumcision was the sign Abraham did to everyone in his family as his part of accepting God's promise (that's a simple explanation, but the whole thing would take to long... no pun intended). In reference to the original question, both Jews and Muslims practice circumcision because both Ishmael and Issac were circumcised... Paul who wrote most of the new testament said it was not necessary so it is still a point of contention among different christian denominations.
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The abrahamic covenant.

Sparing lives in exchange for foreskins.

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Thank you, insert.

I knew there was something else to do with other sons...well, I thought so anyway. I did know Mohammed played a big part, and you are exactly right in your different additions (changes, too. )

Also, I actually appreciate you covering the circumcism thing...I just didn't know. I know ALL jewish men (supposedly) have this ceremony celebrating the circumcision that has a special name for the "party", and the baby's is like 2 wks old? But, I don't think it has any irreputable damage. and whatever. I always liked a circumcised penis a lot better. cleaner.

SHHHHH Lordy mercy..did I just say that?
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