I posted this in another thread responding to the above poster etkearne actually to describe the effects of MDMA...
MDMA is an empathogen so really that makes the people and environment you surround yourself with maybe as important as the basic effects. MDMA really breaks down my social barriers unlike anything else I've ever experienced. For instance, I used to go out to social environments and drink alcohol and I felt maybe slightly disinhibited but usually still had sort of a ego guard up, maybe even ego boosted and overconfident and I never really found it that great of a social drug for me. On MDMA, I feel disinhibited and confident but usually it's sort of ego softening, you really try and find the common ground more with those you interact with whether they be friends or aquaintances. It can be kind of relaxing for an amphetamine in a low key enviornment.
In an environment like a rave and/or a higher dose you'll more likely get heavier psychedelic effects from MDMA, like lights trailing, auras surrounding people/things, going into a trance, a heavy sense of interconnectedness with those around you and the settings, and often a psychedelic perception of your body that makes many want to dance and/or engage in touching, the perception of touch is radically different than that of dopamenergic amphetamines. Touch feels pretty psychedelic even on occasion prompting subtle closed eye visuals and open eyed alteration to your vision usually kind of a liquidy blurring type effect and touch is also much fuller feeling than most psychedelics as well, like for example something simple like getting your ears touched can feel orgasmic.
It has a sense of immeadiacy of stimulants, thoughts just cascade from one thought to the next, however it lacks the focus of dopamenergic stims in lieu of a more inquistively idealistic mindset like Hallucinogens but the headspace is less fluctuating than other psychedelics and usually mostly positively oriented. I have heard even distant comparisons to opiates. Generally a very euphoric, content, happy headspace.
Though the peak really can have a "Too good to be true" feeling sometimes, the crash can remind you that it was "Too good to be true" sometimes. You can get a positive afterglow coming down or just a somewhat easy return to sobriety but when you crash it can feel as if your emotions are on a free fall and you can sort of have that guard come back up rather rapidly and just a sense of loss of something and irritability. So you got to realize the comedown is an inevitable part of the experience, even if you don't experience it say the first time. I'm sure if you are familiar with some comedowns though you may fair better than some would. I think the comedown has the potential for some good therapeutic work to take place but highly unlikely in a recreational context.
I usually suggest exploring the 175-200 mgs range, and explore 200+ mgs myself but I prefer the psychedelic effects which I find make themselves more apparent at higher doses and I have done MDMA for 8 years now so I may have accumulated some tolerance/diminishing returns over the years.
Originally Posted by shadowcat0709
awh okay .. Thanks
..do you know anything about snorting ketamine?
As I mentioned with MDMA, I prefer psychedelic effects and same goes with Ketamine. I usually take 200-250 mgs insuffalated Ketamine which produces a 'K-hole.' I'd recommend if this is what you want to pursue that the minute after you are done snorting go find yourself a bed/couch or whatever to lay down in because it seriously disrupts your muscle coordination and you will for lack of a better description check out of reality for about an hour. I'd recommend a sitter or make sure to lay on your stomach to prevent choking on your vomit if you want to explore this dose, which is really the only part of the Ketamine experience I feel worth exploring. Personally I've never vomited on ketamine or been witness to it but it's supposedly not too uncommon.
Ketamine at this 'K-hole' level makes you feel significantly detached from your surroundings. So music, talking, bright lights and all that often is generally considered an enhancement for most psychedelics can become distracting with Ketamine. Perceptions are like leaving your body, experiencing alternate realities, ego death, time ceasing to exist, dream stories that play out in your mind, difficult stuff to explain and dramatically different than Hallucinogens like LSD, however it can be as, if not more mind altering. Interestingly enough unlike most psychedelics, as far as Ketamine can remove you from reality, it's less common to have a bad trip with it because it knocks you out so heavily, so it has a comfort to it that approaches the level of opiates and it can be more addictive/compulsive than other psychedelics for some.
At lower doses, ketamine can kind of be like a trippy alcohol with a slight energetic kick to it. Motor coordination can still be impaired so moving around may be difficult like if you were really drunk, depth perception is significantly altered so people and objects often appear either much further or closer than they actually are. Music can sound pretty good at lower doses but it's kind of distorted. This can be a fun and intoxicating level but it lacks the sense of profundity of the 'K Hole.'
If you plan on taking both of them I'd recommend taking the Ketamine when coming down off the MDMA rather than when peaking on both. There are some people who like peaking on both but I find it a messy high and they sort of cancel out some of the others effects. With that being said, taking a 'K Hole' dose at the 4-5 hr comedown mark of MDMA has produced some of the deepest, most profound experiences I've had with Ketamine.