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Originally Posted by orison319

whipped cream..

Originally Posted by thedope

When I say thought, I mean all activity of the mind. That activity may be subconscious but with conscious attention a conscious root may be discerned.

There is nothing you can know that cannot be known and there is nothing you can know that you do not already know, albeit, yet to be discovered.

Not quite clear to me. I can know whether the mail has been delievered - I mean that is something that is possible for me to know. Yet I do not already know this if I haven't checked the mailbox.

Originally Posted by walsh

Not quite clear to me. I can know whether the mail has been delievered - I mean that is something that is possible for me to know. Yet I do not already know this if I haven't checked the mailbox.

Recognition is re-cognition. It is not possible for you to do things in the future, the future exists only as an abstract projection.

But from what you said there is no future of knowing. If one already knows what one can know, what a baby knows at birth is the same as what it knows at death.

Originally Posted by walsh

But from what you said there is no future of knowing. If one already knows what one can know, what a baby knows at birth is the same as what it knows at death.

Knowledge is, being shared.

Thanks for clarifying Dope.
You are saying that thought precedes action, You are talking about voluntary actions not involuntary I assume.
I can agree with the statement, thought precedes voluntary actions (in general, although I have read that measurements have been recorded of impulses sent to muscle tissue before the thought was consciously made to move an arm, I'll have to look up the source).
But

I am talking about the formation of subjective experience

...perception (subjective experience) precedes both thought and action.

intent is the motive power that bridges the gap between neurons. Without that motive to aggregate or to be, purely mechanical physics cannot account for the spark of life.

Hmmm. Have you ever heard of involution as opposed to evolution? I don't know that "mechanical physics" is different than "intent".

In the most practical sense, everything we perceive is an effect of mind.

No, I disagree. We perceive reality in its raw state. Perception is first. A baby perceives the moment it is born (possibly before) Then the mind, the individual human brain based mind, interprets what has been perceived. The baby cannot interpret much of what it perceives, the adult can. Now the individual mind does "create" our everyday reality out of the raw perceptions it receives, by picking, choosing, and evaluating.
So I agree more with Walsh perhaps.

Originally Posted by thedope

Knowledge is, being shared.

Then I deny that such a thing as knowledge exists. Can you prove otherwise?

Dope,
I don't like getting into time, past, present, future in this thread. That is another subject. But you can't just make these statements,

There is nothing you can know that cannot be known and there is nothing you can know that you do not already know, albeit, yet to be discovered.

My italics. What do you mean by albeit? Although yet to be discovered? There's lots of stuff I don't know and will never discover.

Meagain:

There's lots of stuff I don't know and will never discover.

But how can you know the stuff you don't know until you know it? :-D

thedope:

It is not possible for you to do things in the future, the future exists only as an abstract projection.

The future is never fixed, but its existence can be inferred by more than abstraction. The moment passes in as much as it continues.

But how can you know the stuff you don't know until you know it? :-D

I can't, but I can know that there are subjects that exist that I will never master...I will never learn any type of advanced mathematics simply because I will never expend the energy needed to learn it, or am not capable. But I know of its existence. (This is assuming, of course, that there is no tech breakthrough that allows me to swallow some chip that will automatically allow me to understand advanced math, and even then do I truly know it? Or that I suddenly am compelled to devote my life to learning obscure mathematics.