A Real Holocaust: Dresden -- 13 February 1945

Winston Churchill later regretted the bombing of Dresden.

It seems to me that the moment has come when the question of bombing of German cities simply for the sake of increasing the terror, though under other pretexts, should be reviewed. Otherwise we shall come into control of an utterly ruined land… The destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing. I am of the opinion that military objectives must henceforward be more strictly studied in our own interests than that of the enemy.
The Foreign Secretary has spoken to me on this subject, and I feel the need for more precise concentration upon military objectives such as oil and communications behind the immediate battle-zone, rather than on mere acts of terror and wanton destruction, however impressive.

Originally Posted by Dude111

http://globalfire.tv/nj/08en/history/dresden.htm

How approximately 500,000 Germans were exterminated in one night

Very very sad....

I AM JUST SO SICK OF ALL THIS EVIL AND THE HUMAN ANIMAL RACE IN GENERAL..... NO OTHER LIFEFORM DOES THIS AND ITS JUST SICK..

This is incredible nonsense. Nearly half of Germans voted for Hitler when he became president. Nearly another 20 % voted for Extreme Rght policies.
Did the rest leave Germany or stand up against what it did? Nope, not many. Not many at all.

"Regular" Germans were guilty of the MASS extermination of tens of millions of Slavs, Jews and others. And its been shown that far from being forced into "obeying orders" far too many Germans revelled in the slaughter- whether that be Jewish elderly in Hamburg or Russian schoolkids in the East

To pretend there was a genocide against the perpetrators of evil in Germany is sick and depraved in the extreme.
You might want to pick up a few text books before you try and give us the David Irving/ Joseph Goebbels revisionist tripe.

Your suggestions are amongst the most obscene I've ever read in this forum

I visit Germany a lot. The often explain to me what was bombed by the Allies in the war. They have all been quick to point out "and with good cause, and complete justification". Before they know my views on this.

Shame someone has to post some drivel from the internet and insult the tens of millions that were guilty of genocide.

Originally Posted by relaxxx

I find the title insulting, as if what the Germans did WAS NOT a holocaust.

Seems extremely biased, fanatical even. I'll believe wikipedia before I believe that blatantly biased piece of Nazi propaganda bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing...n_World_War_II

Like if someone killed half my family and then half his family was killed in a raid to stop his madness... I'm supposed to feel sorry for him? Fuck that! Eye for an eye is my kind of justice, even if it was true, which it is not. Dresden was not a holocaust, it didn't kill 50K people let alone 500K, let alone 6-9 MILLION! It was not a deliberately evil genocide on a race of people like the REAL holocaust.

The OP is the sort of filth you'd find on Nazi sites. Maybe thats his true identity? Perhaps he'd like to travel to Leningrad and say it to the million plus residents who died of starvation thro a German siege. What will he say- " they were all anorexics"?

Originally Posted by ;7176366

Nearly half of Germans voted for Hitler when he became president.

The Nazi's were never elected to anything. They over threw the government. They were able to because the allies banned the German army after WW1. Germans had to swear an oath of loyalty to Hitler.
They were required by law to give the Nazi salute. The penalty was death. They had no choice.

Did the rest leave Germany or stand up against what it did? Nope, not many. Not many at all.

The Nazi's killed 100,000 Germans for not supporting them.

"Regular" Germans were guilty of the MASS extermination of tens of millions of Slavs, Jews and others. And its been shown that far from being forced into "obeying orders" far too many Germans reveled in the slaughter- whether that be Jewish elderly in Hamburg or Russian schoolkids in the East

The SS forced them to kill. The SS did the reveling. Stalin killed 10 million of his own people, while Americans called him
'uncle Joe'.

To say there was a genocide against the perpetrators of evil in Germany is sick and depraved in the extreme.

the Germans were victimized 1st and in many ways by the Nazi's.
people don't like the Nazi's because they killed civilians. so the allies killed German civilians.

The Nazis were very much elected
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...ion,_July_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_..._November_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...on,_March_1933

Using provisions in the Weimar constitution to pass the Reichstag fire decree, support from the Centre party and the blockading of the communist party from parliament(which was in fact at the opera house since the Reichstag has burned down), the government legally passed the Enabling act, all but turning Germany into an autocratic state with only the SDP delegation voting against. Even before the March 1933 election though the Nazis had by far been the largest winners in both 1932 elections.

And it is safe to say the Nazis and Hitler had widespread support up until the war started to turn. Why wouldn't they? The unstable Weimar republic had left a terrible taste in everyone's mouth both economically and their views on democracy, the Nazis had brought a rather resounding level of success both domestically and internationally to a depression stricken Germany, and it's safe to say Germans generally did not realize extent to which Nazis were going to take things, not to mention that when things really started to go genocidal, it was in fact around 1942, at w hich point given the state of the war, the fact almost everyone had someone serving in the military and constant bombing raids on Germany, most people didn't give a shit about anything other than personally making it through the war.

Originally Posted by SapphireNeptune

The Nazis were very much elected
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...ion,_July_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_..._November_1932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_...on,_March_1933

according to your links, the government was dissolved because of dis-like for it because of the depression.

the Nazis "unleashed a campaign of violence and terror" that got them in power.

the nazi's still didn't get enough votes to get in power.

Dude111

Thank the maker that someone else is revealing this horror.. for years i have thrown it in face of the 'good war' people [ww2]

Dresden is the great show of what is morality iin war.
people still defend the raid.. the arseholes
those that cannot admit the ALLIES butchered women and children.
incinerated actually

Fact
Dresden had at the time NO strategic value. It contributed nothing to german defence of the Reich.
Some real cynics have suggested it was bombed for
A: last unbombed city
B: a display for USSR in view of their front lines.. power projection.

That allies ALSO strafed roads after bombing.. killing woman and children in wonton mass slaughter.
nagasaki and hiroshima had at least some military value. dresden none
An orgy of 'we are the winners' That it was a city of churches/cathedrals.. well think about it.

All now forgotten in age of the Alliance for freedom and good. led by US and UK.

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

Occam

Well they are rebuilding it sort of. The Neumarkt and the Frauenkirche for starters.

why did you feel the need to give this thread the most contentious and offensive title possible?

anyway, yeh, dresden bombing was fucked up, a display of power to warn the russians to halt their advance (although there WERE some valid military targets within the city like factories and train lines which supplied the eastern front)


“Dresden, the seventh largest city in Germany and not much smaller than Manchester, is also far the largest unbombed built-up the enemy has got. In the midst of winter with refugees pouring westwards and troops to be rested, roofs are at a premium. The intentions of the attack are to hit the enemy where he will feel it most, behind an already partially collapsed front, to prevent the use of the city in the way of further advance, and incidentally to show the Russians when they arrive what Bomber Command can do.”
-RAF January 1945

it wasn't as bad as the actual holocaust.

also, even if ALL of Germany had unanimously voted the NAZI's into power in '32 instead of hindenberg, that wouldn't make the entire nation collectively responsible for the atrocities committed under Hitler and therefore deserving to be burned to death to a man.