Adam and 4000 BC

Originally Posted by orison319

< praise Allah.. >

From who all blessings flow.

Asr 5:02 est.. still plenty of time to be perverted..

Originally Posted by ForestsEchoLaughter

I thought this was Sanctuary. It seems like there are a lot of "Christians" here who aren't really Christians. Disappointing.

Please explain. Sanctuary is for all Christians, not just fundamentalists.

Originally Posted by OlderWaterBrother

Exactly, "there were no exact dates involved here" but lot's of guesstimates based on a belief that evolution is a fact and since evolution says that life came to be over millions and millions of years those millions of millions of years have to be accounted for some how.

I could be wrong, but my interpretation of your post is that you are questioning the accepted dating for the Paleolithic and Neolithic eras, are suggesting that practically all of the dates accepted by paleontologists and archaeologists for these eras are "guesstimates" off by millennia, and that they arrived at the dates arbitrarily by assuming evolution to be true. They say they arrived at them by a meticulous process of dating hundreds of thousands of artifacts involving geological strata and radiometric methods, taking literally lifetimes of painstaking work by professionals who spent years of their lives in education and training for careers in the quest of knowledge. You suggest otherwise. Is that what you mean to say? If so, on what basis do you say any historical fact can be taken as established? Do you think that we're wasting our money having faculties of archaeology or paleontology, when any bible thumper off the street can tell them how it really was? The views you seem to be suggesting are every bit as extreme as those of the Flat Earth Society. Do you agree with them, too? But of course you didn't actually "say" any of this. You just, as usual, insinuated it. I guess that makes it okay.

[QUOTE=Okiefreak;6399900]I could be wrong, but my interpretation of your post is that you are questioning the accepted dating for the Paleolithic and Neolithic eras, are suggesting that practically all of the dates accepted by generations of paleontologists and archaeologists for these eras are "guesstimates" off by millennia, and that they arrived at the dates arbitrarily by assuming evolution to be true. They say they arrived at them by a meticulous process of dating hundreds of thousands of artifacts involving geological strata and radiometric methods, taking literally lifetimes of painstaking work by professionals who spent years of their lives in education and training for careers in the quest of knowledge. And they published their findings in reputable peer reviewed journals and subjected them to refutation by other scholars. At least some of them, I'd say most of them, are people of high professional integrity and good judgment. You suggest otherwise. Is that what you mean to say? If so, on what basis do you say any historical fact can be taken as established? Do you think that we're wasting our money having faculties of archaeology or paleontology, when any bible thumper off the street can tell them how it really was? The views you seem to be suggesting are every bit as extreme as those of the Flat Earth Society. Do you agree with them, too? But of course you didn't actually say any of this. You just, as usual, insinuate it. I guess that makes it okay.

Originally Posted by ForestsEchoLaughter

I thought this was Sanctuary. It seems like there are a lot of "Christians" here who aren't really Christians. Disappointing.

Was Jesus a Christian?

Originally Posted by Okiefreak

Please explain. Sanctuary is for all Christians, not just fundamentalists.

"Christian," as I understand it, means one who accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah and his teaching. So please explain to me what a fundamentalist would be.

Originally Posted by zengizmo

Was Jesus a Christian?

Not sure what you mean exactly. I'm honestly not trying to be rude.

Originally Posted by ForestsEchoLaughter

"Christian," as I understand it, means one who accepts Jesus Christ as the Messiah and his teaching. So please explain to me what a fundamentalist would be.

The definition of Christian you gave is one which I'd accept. I understand a fundamentalist to be a Christian who also believes that the Bible must be taken as the literal and inerrant word of God. I believe that much of the Bible, including Genesis, was intended as moral allegory, not as literal truth. I don't think the Bible was intended as a science or history textbook. Nor do I believe that the Bible was written by, or even dictated by, God. It was written by inspired but fallible humans trying to put their inspirations into words in the context of the times in which they lived.

Originally Posted by Okiefreak

The definition of Christian you gave is one which I'd accept. I understand a fundamentalist to be a Christian who also believes that the Bible must be taken as the literal and inerrant word of God. I believe that much of the Bible, including Genesis, was intended as moral allegory, not as literal truth. I don't think the Bible was intended as a science or history textbook. Nor do I believe that the Bible was written by, or even dictated by, God. It was written by inspired but fallible humans trying to put their inspirations into words in the context of the times in which they lived.

That was just beautiful, Okiefreak. I think a lot of things in the Bible got to us as intended by the One...and I would love to get hold of the most literal, word-for-word Bible available. (Of course being able to read Aramaic and Greek would help.) I also feel the OT should be seen overall as a history of the Jews, God's chosen people. I personally am undecided as to whether the Word should be taken literally re parts of the OT. However, I do feel the Bible offers each of us answers that cannot be found elsewhere, and I believe prayer offers each of us the most direct line to God that there is.
But...I would definitely not say I am a fundamentalist; yet, I would definitely say that God is my master, that I am a Christian... that I too am a Christian by that definition, ForestEchos