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Old 10-13-2004, 02:08 PM   #1
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I don't believe in evil...
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I don't believe in evil as being an external source... I don't subscribe to the chrisitan view of a devil being the source of all evil (or a god being the source of all good).

That's just all too convient for me, eg:

"oh, it's not my fault I killed someone, the devil made me do it"

And you're not able to take credit for your own actions, eg:

"well it's great that I've helped raise all this money for children in need, but I could not have done it without god".

Sorry, but that's all utter bullshit. IMO.

Everything can be viewed in a light of either good or bad, depending on how you look at it, and what your background is... One persons good is another persons evil..
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Old 10-13-2004, 03:40 PM   #2
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I don't believe in evil as being an external source... I don't subscribe to the chrisitan view of a devil being the source of all evil (or a god being the source of all good).

That's just all too convient for me, eg:

"oh, it's not my fault I killed someone, the devil made me do it"

And you're not able to take credit for your own actions, eg:

"well it's great that I've helped raise all this money for children in need, but I could not have done it without god".

Sorry, but that's all utter bullshit. IMO.

Everything can be viewed in a light of either good or bad, depending on how you look at it, and what your background is... One persons good is another persons evil..
Well said that man.... every one needs to realise they are responsible for their own actions - good or bad...

However, disagree somewhat with the last bit - take Hitler for example - i doubt there is anyone in the world anywhere who wouldn't agree he was evil - even if they supported his views and agreed with his actions.
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Old 10-13-2004, 05:15 PM   #3
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Well said that man.... every one needs to realise they are responsible for their own actions - good or bad...

However, disagree somewhat with the last bit - take Hitler for example - i doubt there is anyone in the world anywhere who wouldn't agree he was evil - even if they supported his views and agreed with his actions.
Sure, we look at what he did and think "what a bad man", but look at it from his perspective, he was doing what he felt was right for his people. He viewed jewish people as evil, so he was doing what he felt was right...

And look at all the 'good' that has come as a direct result of what he did... before the second world war a lot of america was very anti jewish (what's the word, I can't remember, anti-semantic or something, i can't rememebr), what about all of the technology that has been made available because of the second world war.

You also need to remember that history is written by the winners, if germany had won the second world war, they would be looked upon as heroes.... but instead, the alliance won (with a lot of help from america, who herself was largly unaffected by the war), so we're the heroes.

It's all a matter of perspective, evil does not exist in the world, there is no such thing, things can only be labeled as good or evil based on your own perspective, and how they effect you.

(PS, i just want to point out that I'm not a hitler fan or anything, and yes, if need be, my own perspective of him is that he was evil... but that's only my perspective, what about all the neo-nazis in america, you can be sure that they don't share my view of him - so who's right? we can't both be right? - you see what I'm saying?).
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Old 10-20-2004, 08:16 PM   #4
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Maybe evil is in the eye of the beholder.
The World of Dan, I love your "Can't we all Coexist?"
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Old 10-20-2004, 08:31 PM   #5
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Thank you.. if you like that, you'll love this: http://theworldofdan.co.uk/blogger/2...e-and-cry.html
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Old 10-20-2004, 10:47 PM   #6
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how can you not "believe" in evil?


the only thing that isn't evil is LOVE
and by the way, God is Love

evil is not in the eye of the beholder

evil is a fact
child molestation is evil
suicide bombers who randomly kill innocent people are evil
people who deny the ethical moral codes of honesty and wholesomeness are evil

evil exists and its fucking gross
you're either against evil, or you're part of it


maybe you're lucky
you live a cushy pampered life free from any pain or sorrow or suffering
that doesn't mean evil doesn't exist, it just means you aren't aware of it
Life is Love.
What is "wholesomeness" to you?
Without the dark, there can be no light...
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Old 10-21-2004, 12:08 AM   #7
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how can you not "believe" in evil?


the only thing that isn't evil is LOVE
and by the way, God is Love

evil is not in the eye of the beholder

evil is a fact
child molestation is evil
suicide bombers who randomly kill innocent people are evil
people who deny the ethical moral codes of honesty and wholesomeness are evil

evil exists and its fucking gross
you're either against evil, or you're part of it


maybe you're lucky
you live a cushy pampered life free from any pain or sorrow or suffering
that doesn't mean evil doesn't exist, it just means you aren't aware of it
If you want to believe in god, then that's up to you... but I don't... So please don't try to use god, because that's just going to make me laugh.

Evil does not exist, it's nothing more than a persons perception of events..

sure, things like child molestation is pointless, and every decent folk would agree that it's bad (IMO), but it's not evil.

As for suicide bombers, they are doing what they believe to be right, to help them get their point across to the world, in the only way they know how... is it wrong?? well, I think it is, I don't believe in killing people. but it's not evil.

Christans used to think that witches, wiccans and pagans are evil... they are not, they just live their life by a diffrent set of rules.

As for the comment on being anti-evil or evil.. grow up... the world is not black and white... everything has it's posatives and negatives...
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Old 10-21-2004, 06:01 AM   #8
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I don't believe in evil, either.
Thank you for posting this.

As far as evolution of consciousness... sometimes things have to become very dark outside to make visible the light within.

Love is what motivates all beings, from within, regardless of accepted external fears. Suffering occurs when one feels disconnected the from the whole.
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Life is all knowing, a "higher being". The only part you can talk to and be answered by is you. Life loves you, it will always be there for you. In that sense, for me, Life is "god", whatever that word means, and since we are all a part of life, we are all sacred, we are all "needed".
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that doesn't mean evil doesn't exist, it just means you aren't aware of it
as usual, i'm totally with you on this one man, as me and sooo many people in america are very much like what you just described... i am just now waking up that there is sooooo much complete BULLSHIT thats Always going on beyond my little reality, i have just begun to open my eyes, and as sad as it is to say, i don't think i could ever percieve all the evil and suffering that DOES go on in the world, that IS going on RIGHT NOW, even as i type this post.
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