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07-19-2004, 09:28 PM
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Psychoactive Nature - Enthenogens - Devil's Candy or Flesh of the Gods?
"Strictly speaking, these drugs do not impart wisdom at all, any more than the microscope alone gives knowledge. They provide the raw materials of wisdom..." - Alan Watts
Throughout the last 20,000 years the importance of psychoactive plants and their influence on life has been immeasurable. As societies developed across the world their way of dealing with these ‘magic’ plants would always change. In the more ‘primitive’ of tribal societies, shamans or ‘witch doctors’, notice the association to the euro-derived term witch, were responsible for religious and medical use of these plants. As the societies of the world advanced their ability to manipulate their natural world to a more convenient and comfortable ‘way of living’. Monotheism became the pillar of western society. Now here comes the great questions….
Any careful observer of nature, regardless of ‘faith’ can tell you that nature works in ‘perfect’ synchronicity. Like a Swiss fuckin’ watch. There are no ‘accidents’, natures balance is only disrupted by the will/force of man.
This being the case… what ever force or energy that has progressed us along this path of evolution and existance also did so for enthenogens (literally meaning 'generating the Devine within'). This includes: Psilocybin Mushrooms, Cannabis, Papaver Somniferum, Mescaline Cacti, DMT plants… the list contains thousands of plants and even a few animals…
Coca leaves are sacramental, Cocaine is not. Why? The act of human manipulation, a distorting of what “God” created. Opium resin is sacramental, Heroin is not. Why? Human manipulation. The act of processing the materials in order to increase or enhance the effects is not healthy - man needs to stop fucking with natures ballance - she put all the coke in the coca leaf that she thought man could handle. The only acceptable method of increasing potency would be a chemical free brew.
People often attempt to discredit this by saying, “Well, there are plants that will kill you after just one bite, are you supposed to eat them too?”. A common yet misguided argument. Anyone with some understanding of neurochemistry or medical training can easily clarify the different physio-pharm-logical actions of these alkaloids from that of a ‘toxic poisoning’. Of course these plants do have a ‘minimal’ toxicity but in the same breath… so does water. It is sometimes said among mushroom users, “its safer to eat mushrooms, than a Big Mac”.
Although I believe these plants are one of the ways to personally telepathacly connect with what man refers to as “God” there is much more to it than that. A critical point in my theory is that, “these enthenogens are one means of telepathic communication with the spirit; it is certainly not the only means.” Think about it… Tantric Sex, Meditation, Chanting, and even Sensory Depravation as a few examples… are all means to the same spiritual place.
Contrast. It is one of the most important universal properties. Contrast is key because it is only when we can compare two sides of the spectrum, both deviating from the balance, that existence is highlighted. Existence of all things is defined by contrast… would there be: light without dark? Heat without cold? Happy without sad? Of course all of this is extraordinarily relative, but it is crucial none the less. With all psychedelics, they serve to teach us something about our sober/baseline/normal reality simply by contrast.
Why do humans like to get intoxicated/high/ect..? Even if the war on drugs were to accelerate to fascist levels and successfully managed to destroyed all drugs... probably by destroying all users… there would be someone mixing household chemicals together until they found a way to make something that people could get intoxicated from. And then selling it off for a fortune, this is obvious. Including medications, caffeine, tobacco, and alcohol more than 98% of human beings are putting chemicals into their bodies.
The human mind is a programmable bio-computer. That is thebig secret. That’s what every authority that has ever been and ever will be doesn’t want us to know. Every single thing that one does from the moment they wake till they sleep is a choice. And not only what we do but much more importantly why we do things in one manner and not another? Motivation is frequently the key to behavior… especially the subconscious kind.
Subconscious motivation. Do you ever feel as though you’re motivated to do something and don’t understand why? This is the result of too much action and not enough reflection. Now let me clarify, when I say reflection, that means not only using your mind for deep though and contemplation but it also requires stillness. That means, no, you can not do this at all while shopping, driving, working, exercising, talking, eating, or sleeping... with other individuals, one is distracted from our own existance… It means that one must be alone and in tranquility... and exercise the ability that human brains have for transcendental thought.
Past, present, and future. Time... the rythem 'the puppets' dance to… the past exists only as memory, and most will agree, an extremely inaccurate one at that! The future exists only as human foresight, which everyone knows is so incredibly poor it often stops us from acheiving anything! Well then, what are we left with? The present is the only time that exists. Understanding of this is absoultly critical. With the ability to understand the present, one has complete psychological and strategic control over the past and the future! This sounds like some crazy theory but take my humble word that “It works for me” and to a previously unimaginable degree. The ability to play life, more smoothly and accurately, not allowing your emotions to own you.
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07-19-2004, 09:44 PM
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Society. Also know as the great deceiver. Every day, people I know; whom are polite, considerate, intelligent, and often ‘productive’ individuals, yet they still face many incredible emotional ups and downs that are caused by over-involvement in the societal aspects of life. Ever since one is barely able to be cognizant of their surrounding world, society indoctrinates one with its self-necessity. The entire point of humans forming groups which we refer to as society is to stabilize reproduction, food supply, territory, and among other things serve as a form of constant entertainment. Essentially, creating problems for ourselves. Since childhood society as a group would like you to believe that they are not only necessary, but that they have answers to the questions that burn inside every wo/man. Herein lies what I refer to as “The Great Delusion”. Because many if not most people on earth now live under this doctrine many if not most of the problems people face are a direct result of where their philosophy on life started and ended.
'The flesh of the gods' allows us to see it all differently... In contrast to everyone else, to see what's wrong with the world. Even ‘the bible’ has reference to what I’m speaking of and I would not be surprised if it did not play at least a minor role in shaping Judeo-Christian world view.
Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will vain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no (16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground (16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat.
These naturally occurring (from the same energy we were created from) substances have allowed me to, open my mind, and observe the multi-faceted nature of the universe. The perspective I have gained pertaining to life does not leave me when the effects of the enthenogens subside. Since revealing my perspective on life and acknowledging the power of natures guidance, I have been frequently met with the challenge that all of these conclusions are the result of some sort of, “psychedelic delusion”… even having the really obvious fools tell me that I have, “used too many drugs and fried my brain cells”. Downright laughable. I’m rather certain, about as certain as a human can be of anything, that this is not the case. Faith. Not to mention that this point of view is not at all exclusive to me but is in fact available to any whom decide to look. Leary, Watts, Shulgin, Huxley, ect… have all corroborated, reinforced, and help define these incredibly abstract and paradoxical philosophies that I have spent an overwhelming amount of time trying to understand.
Quite obviously my argument is that these “Sacraments” are quite literally, “the flesh of the gods”, and their existence has as much ‘purpose/reason’ as we do. I have quite obviously argued positively for these “Plant drugs”. I invite anyone with a well throughout and intelligent counter argument to take your best shot! See it similarly but not the same? I’d really like to have an intelligent debate on this topic.
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07-19-2004, 10:18 PM
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Well - I pretty much agree with your basic standpoint - that these agents - and I would add LSD and other 'indole ring' psychedelics to the list - can if used in the right way give acess to new and higher levels of consciousness.
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07-20-2004, 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackBillBlake
Well - I pretty much agree with your basic standpoint - that these agents - and I would add LSD and other 'indole ring' psychedelics to the list - can if used in the right way give acess to new and higher levels of consciousness.
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I believe that many SYNTHYISIZED chemicals can be helpful to mankind especially LSD and MDMA but I can not really immagine a time in my lifetime when "the public at large", will be ready to handle even Regulated MDMA or LSD.
Nature packages everything in just the right way. Ready for human consumption.
-PsDX
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"Strictly speaking, these drugs do not impart wisdom at all, any more than the microscope alone gives knowledge. They provide the raw materials of wisdom..." - Alan Watts
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07-20-2004, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Psilodelix
I believe that many SYNTHYISIZED chemicals can be helpful to mankind especially LSD and MDMA but I can not really immagine a time in my lifetime when "the public at large", will be ready to handle even Regulated MDMA or LSD.
Nature packages everything in just the right way. Ready for human consumption.
-PsDX
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I can't agree about MDMA I'm afraid. I don't think it is a true psychedelic, and I know severel people who have 'done too many pills'. I have met others who suggest that taking it along with LSD or Psilocybin enhances the effect - mainly by removing the percieved 'threat' of a bad trip. But this isn't what psychedelics are all about. I first took acid back in 1973, since then I've had very many positive experiences, and two quite hellish ones. But curiously, I seem to have learned just as much , if not more from these so called negative experiences than the 'good' ones. In the end, it just dissolves, this boundary between good and bad trips. If you want to just get high and party, ecstasy may be ok, but not for the seroius psychonaut!
love BBB
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07-20-2004, 06:49 PM
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I meant to post this link also - it is an interesting site with much info on entheogens, including an entheogen forum!
http://www.entheogen.com/index.html
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07-21-2004, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackBillBlake
I can't agree about MDMA I'm afraid. I don't think it is a true psychedelic, and I know severel people who have 'done too many pills'. I have met others who suggest that taking it along with LSD or Psilocybin enhances the effect - mainly by removing the percieved 'threat' of a bad trip. But this isn't what psychedelics are all about. I first took acid back in 1973, since then I've had very many positive experiences, and two quite hellish ones. But curiously, I seem to have learned just as much , if not more from these so called negative experiences than the 'good' ones. In the end, it just dissolves, this boundary between good and bad trips. If you want to just get high and party, ecstasy may be ok, but not for the seroius psychonaut!
love BBB
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Great!! I'm very happy that you are one of the people whom is intellegent enough to learn from the bad expirences and not only take the enjoyable part. After all yin/yang. I agree with your opinion about MDMA... in learning about emotion and communication it can be very helpful but in any terms of cosmic consciousness it is rather useless... especially to any dedicated psychonaut (which I could not really claim to be).
-PsDX
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