Castro vs Batista

Originally Posted by cynical_otter

Did you know that Hippy.com is banned in China?


Oh btw, Mr. China-rox, have you seen the latest animal cruelty video to come out of China? China has little to none animal protection there and the puny laws they do have are not very enforceable.

It's a video of a woman crushing a live puppy while wearing high heels.

u've got my respect. fuck them

i really love this forum. its hilarious. really.

well unfortunate i have to suck big chinese dicks .

The dog had like no bones or something? They were broken? It was like a bag of skin and meat with no bones. She was crushing its bones.

I'm all for freedom. I don't see why we should censor anything, or even be forced to dress certain ways. Why can't we wear hats in school? Why don't guys wear dresses?

You're all for freedom, but not for Cubans apparently. I guess you think not wearing hats at school is somehow comparable to not having a free press? [QUOTE]

And what happens when you over produce? Thats something capitalists have never been able to grasp. The 20th century was the rise of Capitalism, and the 21st will be the fall of it.

I think they said that about the last century too. Tomorrow never comes for the communists.

Soon people will be forced to become class conscious. It could be ten years or it could be fourty, but the sooner we establish international socialism, the better.

Oh yeah I can't wait.

They aren't 90 miles off the coast of the United States. Cuba would resemble the other Latin American counties.

Exactly, it would have been much better off.

Marxists view democratic socialism as the next stage of society after imperialism, and it ultimately will be.

Who cares.

"You mean like Singapore and Hong Kong?" Like Jamaica and Guatemala.

Guatemala is not an island.

A single raw material, and we don't buy from countries where the multinationals don't dominate.

That makes no sense and means pretty much nothing. You are just making excuses for the inconvenient fact that countries do prosper.

Yes, it is voluntary, but what happens when you can't pay back the money your barrowed? The WTO doesn't care if your country goes into debt, because they are out to exploit you. Otherwise, they would refinance. They aquire more debt (but instead to the WTO) after they barrow money.

The WTO doesn't lend to anyone. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Conditions that would be imposed on Cuba would include dropping all trade barriers, and some unfair tariffs that would make it so they couldn't compete.

Again, you have no idea what you are talking about. Developing countries cannot be forced to take any trade policy at all. And the reality is that they have higher tariffs than developed countries. You're just making excuses.

And look at how expensive health care and college is getting here.

Ha ha, middle class gripes about college tuition. Isn't life tough!

Capitalism is necessary and beneficial for a peroid of time

At least you've got that right. Unfortunately your communist ideology is nothing but theory. Every time it has been tried it has been a catastrophe.

Which is exactilly why the lowest stage of socialism will occur in the highest stange of Capitalism, which Lenin believed was Imperialism, unless you believe in Ultra-Imperialism (which is kinda a dumb theory and I haven't seen anything supporting Ultra-Imperialism yet, of course I may be ignorant).

I think Lenin was more than kinda dumb. He was a brutal killer, a tryant and brought devastation to his country. And communism was brought to the Czech Republic, which was a wealthy, advanced economy. 50 years later it was among the poorest countries in Europe. Communism has been tried and it is one of the worst systems ever conceived.

Its pretty simple, instead of the money being given to all the rich so they can own ridiculous amounts of land and property it will be given to the poor so they can afford health care and other necessitys.

In practice though, capitalism delivers rising living standards and communism perpetuates poverty.

I want international socialism, which would end Cuba's poverty. Now, what are the odds that we wouldn't take advantage of Cuba if they dropped their trade barriers?

Did we take advantage of Taiwan or South Korea?

Well, bananas would be the only thing they would be producing that wasn't produced in the free zones (like Jamaica), or maybe sugar (sugar or bananas, doesn't matter). They'd be stricken with horrible poverty, and no health care, as opposed to now they can afford to send doctors to other countries.

This is crap. Cuba is stricken with horrible poverty. Many countries have rised from poverty, apparently the fact that capitalism works is too incovenient a fact for you to accept.
"No actually, you seem like another apologist for communism who lives comfortably is a free society."

I mean, look at how happy I am and how much I am enjoying my freedom to be exploited.

Please tell us about the horrors of your exploitation, I'm sure they must be a complete nightmare.

They do if they need to get a loan from the WTO, and the poor lose no matter what.

Again, it is far too inconvenient of a reality for you to accept that many poor countries are seeing rising living standards. You'd rather just ignore it.

Originally Posted by cooloner

not everyone's definition of living standard is so materialistic...

I wonder then...if we were to take a quick census of Hipforums-users and their computers..

I wonder how many of the so-called "non-materialistic" have computers that they purchased for less then $1000. I'm betting that more people have coughed up a grand and dropped it on a computer then not. $1000 dollars is my rent and all my utilities combined. To blow it on something that will be outdated in such a short time is downright frivolous in my book.

Humans are materialistic creatures, they always are for want of something. Especially something that someone else has.

Well, you're sure off to a bad start. I didn't pay a nickel for my computer. It's used and is a gift from a friend. It doesn't have a printer, webcam, or scanner. My first computer ever.

Originally Posted by cooloner

only unhappy ones...

AGREED! Many people still don't know how to live there lives. From their arguments, I know i should not argue with them. Neither can they take away my happiness nor can they threat my very survival.

Originally Posted by DQ Veg

Well, you're sure off to a bad start. I didn't pay a nickel for my computer. It's used and is a gift from a friend. It doesn't have a printer, webcam, or scanner. My first computer ever.

so, you grab the scraps of a world you cant afford to live in, thrive off it, and then pose a superior stance because you cant afford your lifestyle? Is your name Che? he was worthless too.

not everyone's definition of living standard is so materialistic...

What is materialistic? Taking a holiday? Buying a computer? Getting a new mountain bike or pair of skis?

And what does materialism have to do with the fact that Cuba lives in slavery under His Royal Beard for Life? Cuba gave up freedom and got nothing.

I hate all this Cuba bashing, Cuba has no affilication with the world bank and has about 60 million dollars in the bank account. The US is almost 9 trillion dollars in debt. But the people can eat big mac's and have expensive health care.

I dont think Cuba is the model for any country but it should be the moral model for a lot. You dont need to be a whore for the united states in order to survive. Regardless of how "bad" some of you claim cuba to be I can find places in the USA that are just as bad and im sure theres more of them. If you dont want to live in cuba take a raft on the 90 mile journey. Good riddance.