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Old 01-14-2006, 07:51 AM   #1
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(VIDEO) Fallujah: The Hidden Massacre - Proof of US Using White Phosphorous in Iraq!
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If you have not yet seen this outstanding video documentary, you need to see it! You should be forewarned that some of the footage is very graphic. However, it's something I believe everybody needs to see in order to really understand what is happening in Iraq.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...91678365185391
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Old 01-14-2006, 08:50 PM   #2
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So has anyone watched this video? It should be pretty simple to view if you have a halfway decent connection.
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:09 PM   #3
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Disgusting and criminal as I have long argued. Shame that the naysayers and armchair pundits will either refrain from watching the stark reality of our MIC's routine littany of lies and war crimes (as in Vietnam, no less so today) and corporate media assisted denials, else they will watch and continue making the expected hypocritical exceptionalistic excuses of "might makes right" apologists.

One can only hope that a new Daniel Ellsberg will emerge to publically expose the full extent of internal Pentagon/CIA/MIC criminal intent and set in motion the most sweeping extradition, judgement and conviction of all collusionists to this betrayal of international law and US founding principles ever witnessed by the world.

Perhaps then the end of grasping imperialistic aims of the Strausscons and the permanent reduction of US military expenditure and troop presence outside continental US soil might be a foreseeable possibility.
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:11 PM   #4
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White phosphorus is scary.

When we learned how to treat people for it (not much you can do) they pretty much said it's as bad as any other chemical weapon.
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Old 01-14-2006, 11:20 PM   #5
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And the hypocrisy of these fucking pigs, selling us the lie that we're over there because Saddam had chemical weapons, when it is the U.S. that not only has them, but is using them against innocent civilian populations. Isn't this the very same thing they accused Saddam of doing?

This kind of stuff makes me sick to my very core. It makes me even sicker to see the apathy amongst people who are far too preoccupied with football and video games to actually give a shit, failing to see that their future is also at stake.

It's time for people to turn off the TV, unplug the X-BOX, and remove the cell phone that seems surgically implanted to the side of their heads. If we don't do this, we're all going to be fucked.

The time is now for people to wake up out of their slumber and take a close hard look at what is going on. People, this is happening on behalf of YOUR name and YOUR failure to take action!
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Old 01-15-2006, 08:48 PM   #6
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White phosephorous ?...not this occasion

Mk77.. was used.

Neither deemed ''illegal''

Although many human rights groups consider incendiary bombs to be inhumane, international law does not prohibit their use against military forces. The United States has not agreed to a ban against possible civilian targets.

http://cbpolls.mydd.com/story/2005/11/19/21263/621

Saddam was using ''chemical weapons' against his own people this is not in dispute.

Pretty dispicable behaviour i have to say though...even if you remove the .... well i am not even going to carry on with this trail of thought.
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White phosephorous ?...not this occasion
If you actually watched the video (which you didn't), the ex-marine interviewed said white phosphorus was used. The Itallian journalist, Guliana Sgrena - who was deliberately nearly murdered by US forces for coming too close to the truth - also said that white phosphorus was used. The video footage in the video shows Fallujah being indiscriminately firebombed with white phosphorus. Heck, even the link you posted admits that white phosphorus was used. So either you're in denial, intentionally distorting the facts, or, as usual, you don't have your shit together and are talking out your ass.

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Mk77.. was used.
Which is the same thing as Napalm in its effect. No difference whatsoever.

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Neither deemed ''illegal''
So this is your justification to murder innocent men, women and children in such a horrible way?

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Pretty dispicable behaviour i have to say though...even if you remove the .... well i am not even going to carry on with this trail of thought.
Because you cannot handle the truth? Because you would rather remain in your comfort zone, never having to question the true nature of things? You would rather go through life with the blinders on, being pleasantly ignorant and apathetic like the rest of humanity. At least you admit that you're afraid of the truth. Kudos to you.
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Old 01-15-2006, 10:30 PM   #8
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If you actually watched the video (which you didn't), the ex-marine interviewed said white phosphorus was used. The Itallian journalist, Guliana Sgrena, who was murdered by US forces also said that white phosphorus was used. The video footage in the video shows Fallujah being indiscriminately firebombed with white phosphorus. Heck, even the link you posted admits that white phosphorus was used. So either you're in denial or, as usual, you don't have your shit together and are talking out your ass.
I did and have seen it before..

White phosephorus is used as a covering device.. for smoking out the enemy.. And was used in that way [not against innocent civillians] ..
You don't use it to firebomb anything. It does not show fallujah being firebombed with WP at all..


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Which is almost the same exact thing as Napalm in its effect.
I know..

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So this is your justification to murder innocent men, women and children in such a horrible way?
Nope just a fact

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No not at all.. i could have just skipped on by this thread.. after watching the video i notice you had not mentioned MK77 .. That and WP are used in two very differing ways.. it confused what was going on.

I said i won't contiune because MK77 is pretty nasty stuff.. judging by the video neither of us can claim to know what actually occured precisly..and me posting ''Pretty dispicable behaviour '' does not seem to have given me any credit for appreciating the horridness of this.. I was not going to justify this at all. thats why i did not continue. Even though the video is a little like F9/11

It fails to show the 'ceasfire' and removal of all those wishing to leave prior to attacking the insurgency..
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I did and have seen it before..

White phosephorus is used as a covering device.. for smoking out the enemy.. And was used in that way [not against innocent civillians] ..
You don't use it to firebomb anything. It does not show fallujah being firebombed with WP at all..
Again, you are wrong. How can you say you watched the video? You are a total liar!

Yes, it can be used as a "covering device." It can also be used in bombs and munitions, as was the case in Iraq (as is proven in the video). When the munitions explode, flaming particles are released which usually burn people beyond recognition. If that's not a firebomb, then what is it?

Yes, the video shows this.

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It fails to show the 'ceasfire' and removal of all those wishing to leave prior to attacking the insurgency..
Leave and go where? Many of these people can't afford to just take a cab out of town and go stay in a hotel. And what "removal" are you referring to?
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The bombing of any urban centres, removal or no, is categorically declared a War Crime and Crime Against Humanity by the Nuremberg Principles drafted and ratified by both the US and UK. Simple as.

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The crimes hereinafter set out are punishable as crimes under international law:

(a) Crimes against peace:

(i) Planning, preparation, initiation or waging of a war of aggression or a war in violation of international treaties, agreements or assurances;
(ii) Participation in a common plan or conspiracy for the accomplishment of any of the acts mentioned under (i).

(b) War crimes:
Violations of the laws or customs of war which include, but are not limited to, murder, ill-treatment or deportation to slave-labour or for any other purpose of civilian population of or in occupied territory; murder or ill-treatment of prisoners of war, of persons on the Seas, killing of hostages, plunder of public or private property, wanton destruction of cities, towns, or villages, or devastation not justified by military necessity.

(c) Crimes against humanity:

Murder, extermination, enslavement, deportation and other inhuman acts done against any civilian population, or persecutions on political, racial or religious grounds, when such acts are done or such persecutions are carried on in execution of or in connection with any crime against peace or any war crime.
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The use of White Phosphorus, recognised as a chemical weapon, makes this criminality all the more hypocritical for its demonstration of whom it was in actuality that was not only prepared to attack another nation and people with WMDs but whom it was that actually did!

Apology for such is beyond all rationale.
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