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Old 09-23-2005, 06:34 PM   #1
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Stretching for Jesus

Christian yoga is gaining a devout following--upsetting purists, Hindus and some Christians
By LISA TAKEUCHI CULLEN/MAHTOMEDI

The yoga teacher sits in a lotus position atop a polished wooden platform. Behind her, verdant woods are visible through panoramic windows. Gentle music tinkles from overhead speakers. Two dozen students in spandex outfits, most of them women, settle onto purple and blue mats to begin the class with ujjayi, a breathing exercise. Their instructor, Cindy Senarighi, recommends today's mantra. "'Yahweh' is a great breath prayer," she says. "The Jesus Prayer also works. Now lift your arms in praise to the Lord."

The platform is an altar, the tinkly tune is praise music, and the practice is Christian yoga. Senarighi's class, called Yogadevotion and taught in the main chapel of St. Andrew's Lutheran Church in Mahtomedi, Minn., is part of a fast-growing movement that seeks to retool the 5,000-year-old practice of yoga to fit Christ's teachings. From Phoenix, Ariz., to Pittsburgh, Pa., from Grand Rapids, Mich., to New York City, hundreds of Christian yoga classes are in session. A national association of Christian yoga teachers was started in July, and a slew of books and videos are about to hit the market. But the very phrase stiffens yoga purists and some Christians--including a rather influential Catholic--who insist yoga cannot be separated from its Hindu roots.

Still, the boom, say its backers, is just beginning. Books on Christian yoga were published as early as 1962, but in recent years, as yoga has become as ubiquitous as Starbucks, more Christians have decided to start their own classes. Susan Bordenkircher, a Methodist from Daphne, Ala., is one. She discovered yoga in 2002. "I knew right away I was getting something out of it spiritually and physically, but it felt uncomfortable in that format," she says. So Bordenkircher prepared a vinyasa, or series of postures, with a biblical bent. Meditations focus on Jesus. She calls the sun salutation, a series of poses honoring the Hindu sun god, a "warm-up flow" instead; other Christians call it the "Son" salutation.

At first, Bordenkircher and other yoga teachers encountered skepticism. Officials at Bordenkircher's church asked her if she could call her exercises something other than yoga, and she has had to convince potential students that meditation is not anti-Christ. John Keller, a pastor at St. Andrew's, tells doubtful parishioners that the Bible describes many postures for prayer and that "yoga is just another way to pray." Also, says Keller, it draws potential converts through the church's doors; about a quarter of Yogadevotion students are not churchgoers.

Yoga purists, while encouraging people of all faiths to practice yoga, recoil at the Christian co-opting of its ancient traditions--especially when used as a tool for evangelizing. "We shouldn't use yoga to sell our students anything," says Patricia Walden, a renowned disciple of hatha yoga guru B.K.S. Iyengar. Moreover, others argue, Hinduism is not like a recipe ingredient that can be extracted from yoga. Says Subhas Tiwari, professor of yoga philosophy and meditation at the Hindu University of America in Orlando, Fla.: "Yoga is Hinduism."

"Christian yoga is an oxymoron," agrees Laurette Willis of Tahlequah, Okla. She says yoga led her to dabble in a rootless New Age lifestyle until she became a Christian in 1987. Willis now speaks to Christian groups against yoga, offering instead a series of poses called PraiseMoves.

Catholics face a more formidable skeptic. In 1989 the Vatican issued a document saying the practice of Eastern traditions like yoga "can degenerate into a cult of the body," warning Catholics against mistaking yoga's "pleasing sensations" for "spiritual well-being." It was signed by then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger--now Pope Benedict XVI. In a 2003 document the Vatican further distances itself from New Age practices, including yoga. Even so, Father Thomas Ryan, a Catholic leader of the Christian yoga movement, says he interprets the church's position not as a denunciation of yoga but as a reminder to "respect Christian logic" in its practice. "And that's what we're doing," he says.

For Judy Arko, 43, the logic behind Christian yoga is simple. "It gives me time alone with God," she says. "As a mom of two small kids, I don't get that--even in church."



I hate this corruption of eastern practices that is taking place in the west
and tampering with a perfect science by people who are not capable or understand the essence and greatness of the science of yoga.

Before you know it American marketeers will be selling back to us
what they took from us only with a lot of added extra free garbage in it
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Old 09-23-2005, 07:30 PM   #2
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I dont have a problem with the trend. After all if understood correctly, Christianity is no different from Hinduism. From all apparent evidence Jesus himself was in the east studying Hinduism & Buddhism which are the soul of yoga. Yoga is a perfect science, so is christianity. That is not to say it is perfectly understood, by Hindus or by Christians.
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What is in fact corruption of eastern practices in the west is when every other drugged out new-age spacehead sits in a corner for 10 minutes and thinks he has reached nirvikalpa samadhi. When stoners talk about ohh maaaan we are all one, really... without understanding the meaning of what theyre saying, without living that statement, that is a misuse of eastern practices. When people shave their heads and wear orange and call themselves Gurus, only to have a position of power, to abuse and hurt other people, that is an abuse of eastern religion.

When well meaning christians adapt practices from the east and use it to enhance their own spiritual development, I see nothing wrong with it. More power to them.
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I agree...its a small step towards people understanding the similarity of all religion
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What is in fact corruption of eastern practices in the west is when every other drugged out new-age spacehead sits in a corner for 10 minutes and thinks he has reached nirvikalpa samadhi. When stoners talk about ohh maaaan we are all one, really... without understanding the meaning of what theyre saying, without living that statement, that is a misuse of eastern practices. When people shave their heads and wear orange and call themselves Gurus, only to have a position of power, to abuse and hurt other people, that is an abuse of eastern religion.

When well meaning christians adapt practices from the east and use it to enhance their own spiritual development, I see nothing wrong with it. More power to them.
::nods:: Another thing is the focus here of people only on the physical aspect of yoga (Hatha)...and a lot of people don't understand that yoga is a spiritual science....
...personally...I'm terrible at Hatha Yoga...I try as I could...but I'm retarded when it comes to stretching...lol...I can't even sit in the lotus position...I sit in "half a lotus"....lol...
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Also, when the science of yoga was written, it was not written only for Hidus or only for Indians or anything. Vedas and shastras are fot eh benefit of the entire world, lokasya aaraadhanaya. Nobody has the right to withhold it from anyone or to stop anyone from practicing it.
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Already in the west many people think yoga is just a set of physical exercises - a view that is re-inforced by hundreds of 'health' or 'mind, body and spirit' books etc which promote yoga for purely physical ends.

There's no concept that it means union with God. It's more 'do yoga- get a sexy body'!
Within christianity is it's own mystical traditions. Many of the practices which are prescribed by various christian texts are very similar to some yoga practices, esp bhakti - it's almost tempting to say that it is yoga, by another name. There are christian mystical writings which have an amazing depth - unfortunately they are not very widely read.

I really don't know about the theory that Jesus went to India. It seems as unlikely to me as the legend that he came to Britain as a youth with Joseph of Arimathea.
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Yoga is a technology which indeed can be separated from religion - as can magick.
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Yoga is a technology which indeed can be separated from religion - as can magick.
Some would file both yoga and religion under the head of magick.
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Bhaskar I understand your noble thoughts

But there is such a law that I know of called
The Law of Unintended Consquences
This law basically says noble thoughts and actions can at times result
in unintented damages and consequences for the world

You see all christians are not like
savagegardenbeauty,billyblack blake or other hipforum
members who see the oneness of religions
and believe that different religions are different paths
to the same goal

You have differnt types of christians
And the present lot are the type who vote for George W Bush( Campbell34 )
(This act of voting for george bush tells us something about their beliefs)

They believe christianity is under attack and christianity is a
superior religion

In fact at a recent religions of the world council meet
Representatives of Christians once again refused to acknowledge
the equality of religions

There is an interesting reason for this Bhaskar

Pluralism arouses resistance from religious institutions because if all religions are equally valid, it’s hard to know why I should be especially committed to any one of them except for psychological or biographical reasons.

This is what most christians fear

The official line of the vatican is given below
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The charter for Catholic concerns with pluralism is the September 2000 Vatican document Dominus Iesus, which insists that followers of other religions are in a “gravely deficient situation” in comparison to Christians who alone “have the fullness of the means of salvation.” Critics worry that pluralism produces relativism, meaning skepticism about objective truth. They say that pluralism implies at least a reinterpretation, if not an outright rejection, of elements of the Nicene Creed — such as that Jesus is the “only Son of God,” not one savior among many, and that he came for the salvation of all, not just of Christians.
Christians have only to lose from accepting other religions as equal
as they will most likely then witness a mass exodus of disgruntled followers to other religions like buddhism,hinduism and Islam .

Its human nature that
The grass is always greener on the other side

This is why most christians are on the backfoot

How can these people with such narrow views who conform to the narrow dictates of the vatican understand anything about
the essence of yoga other than degrade it to some form of PT exercise ?



You said christianity is perfect

I personally know that the bible is an extremely misogynstic book

and it is not without reason that

Noam chomsky says that
" The Bible is one of the most genocidal books in the history of mankind. "
and believe me I have great respect for Noam chomsky ,he is a great inte

No religion in todays world is perfect
Not christianity ,not hinduism ,not islam ,nor any other

Coming back to christian yoga

I believe yoga teachers are extremely incompetent in the west
All they do is do a 6 month yoga course, practice it ,read a few books and Voila !
You are now a yoga teacher

and then these half knowledged people teach some right and wrong
asanas and then we have people complaining on the internet about how
their ass is burning because of improper kundalini awakening .

Yoga is big business in America and is marketed and innovated to suit personal needs (sic)
and the new teachers who teach yoga do it more as a means to earn or supplement their livelyhood

I have my doubts and fears about the west

This is the same country whose corporations are trying to steal and patent people's knowledge all around the world

It is possible that
these people could slightly alter a few asanas and meditation techniques
and patent it off
and everytime I plan to do an asana by standing on my head here in India I will have to pay them royalty

This notion might sound ridiculous to some of you
but I speak only from experience and knowledge
American corporations have patented everything from basmati rice to
medicinal use of neem

The company that patented the medicinal use of neem claimed that
it was the first to discover the unique healing effects of neem when Indians have been using neem for medicine for thousands of years

It was only after a prolonged battle did some Indian NGO's
win some cases while many are still pending

In fact you must have seen the traditional grinding stone mill used in indian villages ?
Well guess what this too has been patented by an american corporation

The repercussions of these patents will not be felt now but in many decades from now when IPR will be more strictly enforced

What gurantee that they will not patent ayurveda,yoga ?



Yes the knowledge of Yoga is for the whole of humanity

But
Our age old masters were always
reluctent to teach such practices to immature people
They did not teach every tom,dick and harry but choose their students
selectively
Weeding out the unfit and incompetent

because one must be sure of the worth of a student
only then one imparts him knowledge

In the west the only criteria for eligiblity for yoga is how much money you
can afford to spend on it

In the coming years I see that in the west Yoga will be
degraded and

People will do yoga to have better sex lives , earn money and fame ,
and the real purpose of yoga will get submerged in all the new filth that
it is being heaped on it


Maybe you might one day see Jennifer Lopez in an commercial on TV saying

"The secret of my butt size is Yoga . For the big butt you always desired join J.LO yoga studio now. Hurry! call 1800-400-23-32 and first fifty
people who register will also get free tiger skin mat to meditate on "



I hope the other members in this thread agree with my views


P:S---Bhaskar BTW what exactly are you doing in America ?
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