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Old 06-14-2004, 03:35 AM   #1
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Default Panic Attacks and the Linden Method?

I suffer from anxiety/ panic attacks almost daily. I have been searching the web for alternatives to going on medication. While on my quest, I found the Linden method, which is supposed to be medicine free and cure this disorder. Does anyone have any information on this subject? Thanks and peace!
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Old 06-18-2004, 01:42 AM   #2
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sorry to say, i do not have any information on the method that you are referring to! I suffer from the same thing and i REALLY REALLY do not want to go on medication. It is a horrible thing to deal with though. If anyone knows any natural ways to get rid of this please post! i read that black cohosh [sp?]root works so im trying that next week along with some other herbs that have been suggested.
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Old 06-19-2004, 06:10 AM   #3
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i was wonderin the same thing... the linden method looked scammy

i've noticed anxiety/panic attacks are ALL in your head... so i don't really want to be put on meds either.
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Old 06-22-2004, 11:51 PM   #4
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i have to agree, the linden thing looked scammy to me too. lol when i was reading their site it said that there werent long tapes to listen to, but when you pay your money you end up with 5 or 6 cd's or something!! bleh.

my husband gets anxiety attacks and insomnia

he says they seem to go in 6 month cycles and they're a lot worse in the summer for him

he's trying magnesium supplements at night (around 800mg) and fish oils and b50 in the morning. we've read that kava kava is supposed to help, and SAM-e and 5htp can help too, but he hasnt tried out those ones yet. kava's only supposed to be taken under the supervision of a professional bc it can be dangerous.

it helps him if i do reiki on him. and sometimes i help him breathe thru the worst ones. (i feel like a labour coach sometimes ).

hubby's tried just about everything to help get to sleep when he's got the worst anxiety and nothing really helps sometimes. he only got 2 hrs of sleep last night. the last time his anxiety got really bad, he went on paxil for a few months, but then he's all zombie-like. i want to find something more natural for him.

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i've noticed anxiety/panic attacks are ALL in your head... so i don't really want to be put on meds either.
hm, i thought that depression and anxiety are linked. it's all about the neurotransmitters--serotonin and dopamine. ya gotta get the levels of those little guys up or get the receptor sites to work more efficiently. so ya, it's in your head, but there is a physiological cause, ykwim?
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Old 06-24-2004, 07:55 AM   #5
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I used to have anxiety attacks all the time too. Although now I have it down to a minimal. I noticed they seemed to have certain triggers, for example my old neighbor every time I had to work and she would keep me up all night I would get anxiety attacks so I moved. It was always the same thing for me I would get all stressed out and then I would have a panick attack. Try keeping track of what you're doing before and what you were supposed to do that day you have the anxiety attack you might be able to find something specific that is causing them. Then its a matter of figuring out what you can do to change it. This is working for me it might work for other people.

Another thing I have done is on days that I get an anxiety attack is take Calmfort which I think is natural but hard to come by. Its good for Insomnia, stress, and anxiety. I'll try to find my bottle and check to see whats in it.
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:46 PM   #6
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fwiw, my hubby's anxiety is getting better. it's not gone altogether, but it's improving.

a lot of his thing is stress over the neighbours kids playing their music too loud at night and the sounds of kids playing outside until really late (sometimes 11 or 12 pm!!). he's having to get up at really weird early hours for work (anywhere from 3 am to 6 am depending on what they need to do that day). we cant move right now. we cant afford to. it really sucks. he's been trying to sleep as far away from the noise as he can and he runs a white noise machine to drown out as much of the sounds of awake people as he can. We've been asking the neighbours to keep it down, but they have 6 kids and 2 adults living there, so, it's just going to be loud no matter what they do. It's not like they're doing it on purpose to piss us off! LOL

i'm trying to get him off of caffeine. he gets more anxiety when he's had a cuppa or 2 that morning. he seems to get more anxiety at night than during the day too. it's weird. oh and sex seems to help too.

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that would be really cool
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Old 06-24-2004, 06:49 PM   #7
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is the calmfort you use anything like hyland's calms forte?

i found the ingred list for this and it's a homeopathic remedy with :
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Passiflora 1X Triple Strength - for restless or wakeful sleep from exhaustion
Avena Sativa 1X Double Strength - for stress, nervousness or nervous headache
Humulus Lupulus 1X Double Strength - for drowsiness with incomplete sleep
Chamomilla 2X (Chamomile) - for nervous irritability
And the following biochemic phosphates for enhancing cellular function:
Calcarea Phosphorica 2X HPUS, Ferrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Kali Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Natrum Phosphoricum 3X HPUS, Magnesia Phosphoricum 3X HPUS
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Old 06-25-2004, 12:25 AM   #8
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Its got different packaging but I think its the same.
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how's everyone doing? hubby went on paxil this week. it's a temporary fix, he felt like he had to bc his anxiety attacks were getting really bad and he was only getting a couple of hours of sleep every night. i was afraid that he was goign to drive the car off the road on his way to work. damn, i wish that we could afford a naturopath for him. it sucks being broke. at least mainstream healthcare (if you can call it THAT! LOL) is free here. his doc's trying to get the paxil covered for him too, so at least it's going to be free.


http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:V...+anxiety&hl=en

i was looking at that link and it seemed to contain some pretty thorough info. hubby tried to get the doc to order tests to see how his neurotransmitters and amino acid levels are doing, and she wouldnt do it. she said that she was going to order them, but i had a look at the lab sheet and she just ordered albumin and complete protein levels. that's just not the same thing at all. anxiety/depression type organic brain disorders can be caused by lack of amino acid or an insufficiency in digestive enzymes resulting in insuficient absorbtion of amino acids. this is all pretty standard science, yet it's next to impossible to actually get a doc to do the proper tests. they just want to treat and street and get onto their next customer. the more people they treat, the more money they make, and if they dont get it right the first time, then they get repeat visits, and more money. it's enough to make a person scream.

eta, with that link, it's important to know what your neurotransmitter levels are before you start supplementing with extras like gaba or melantonin, etc. if that particular level is fine then you dont want to take more. that's why the lab testing and working with a competant doc (ha! if you can find one) is so important.
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i wish yer hubby the best... has he ever smoked pot before, or done anything of that sort? just curious...
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