"Janis Joplin Was Such A Pig..."

Originally Posted by shameless_heifer

I beg youre pardon Zorba, but I knew Janis. We met in 66 on Haight St. in a door way next to Love's. Dont care what you believe, it changes nothing. I wrote of the occation in the forums in the Janis thread a couple of yrs ago.

We talked of Texas,(I'm a texan too) Men and life itself. We shared a bottle of wine in a brown paper bag. She and BB&THC were a frequent in The Haight..Later, BB&THC was our communes signature band and visited quiet often.

Do you think that Janis was unreachable, she was street ppl.. She also had digs at Olema where her and Sonny Barger would shack up. Janis was not stuck on herself, to where she didnot relate to her fans. She was Part Of The Scene. She was friendly and outgoing with reg peeps. She stsyed fuckedup most of the time, but who didnt back then.

I just wanted to clear that up.. that Janis was known by a lot of ppl around the city. The Haight, was a nine block neighborhood. We all shopped the same stores and did our laundry at the same washateria, we walked down the same streets and all sat on Hippie Hill in Golden Gate Park together.

Why would you think that any of the bands would be out of reach to their own brothers and sisters. We were all there for the same reason.. FREEDOM, we were all connected in the Web we called The Haight.

There are still some Elders around that were there and did experience the full throtle of what was happening in The Haight and who was happening with it.

Take a trip over to Back To The Garden to the Good Earth forum and read what the ppl who were there have to say. Get it from the horses mouth. We dont have to make things up, the truth was wierd enough no need to dress it up.

Well that's how it TIS'

Blessings
sh

Well I guess you're the exception. I was talking to all of her 'fans', who never knew her but insist she was this and that because they like her music.

And you've proved what?

I am sure that there are other ppl on the planet that new Janis also. I doubt if I was the only one that ever talked to her. I was just pointing out that very thing. I have nothing to prove. I'm just stating my opinion, like everyone else.

Blessings
sh

That was addressed to Mr self appointed monitor.He was just trying to set everyone straight,as usual.

Yeah, scratcho's got a bug up his ass about me ever since I argued with him about women in the military. Now he has a sarcastic response to all my posts. It's kind of like having a sidekick.

Anyway shameless, my point was simply that people will always jump in to defend their heroes, even if they never knew them personally. Liking someone's music does not automatically make them a good person. People take their interest in these celebrities to the point of hero worship, and begin to feel like they know them personally. I used to do this too. They read biographies, watch interviews, etc. The problem is that this does not equate to knowing a person, and to me, it sounds foolish when people say 'oh, what a troubled childhood John had' or 'Janis was this or that,' speaking as if of a close friend. What you see is a public image -- no more, no less. What that person is really like is a whole other matter.

If you say you knew Janis Joplin, I believe you. No one else here has said it, and I think they would have if it was the case. Most were not even alive at the same time she was. Do you understand my point now?

She was a good person. You speak of the FEW that think their role models are perfect. I think anyone mature can know that no one person is "perfect" and everyone has done things their not proud of. If your a fan of someone you stick up for them. You should have accurate info and not just be talking out your ass but you can easily "know" them from reading about them and what not too. There are truths to biographies and documentaries. Sure, some people represent their heroes and are wrong. But saying someone had a troubled life or felt this way about a subject is not "misleading". Things like how your hero is as a person is a huge aspect as to why you respect them so much. A person is the sum of events that they've been through. Yes there are those idols that maybe should not be idolized but once again, it's not most.

Again, people make these statements as if they know the people personally. Biographies are fine as sources of information, but when people assert someone's character as if they actually know them, I have to call bullshit. Just the way it is.

Originally Posted by Zorba The Grape

Again, people make these statements as if they know the people personally. Biographies are fine as sources of information, but when people assert someone's character as if they actually know them, I have to call bullshit. Just the way it is.

Really, just the way it is? I don't think your getting it. If people get information from people in biographies then they can get a sense of what the person is about. Actions speak louder then words. If they do good things for others and are careing/etc then yes they can speak of them as a good person. Just because you say someone is a good person does not mean your hinting that you knew them. Their saying their opinion. Are you saying you never say anything similar about people you've never met?

I don't talk about the sex lives and sexual preferences and desires of people I've never met (or even most I have). How's that?

Originally Posted by Zorba The Grape

I don't talk about the sex lives and sexual preferences and desires of people I've never met (or even most I have). How's that?

This is ironic, because you've basically summed up how I felt about the obnoxious dude I met at the bar: He WAS talking about the sex life and sexual preference of someone he never met (Janis). And to add insult to injury, he was bragging that he actually met her --which I knew was pure crap. So why is it cool for you to call this thread stupid (your first post), when you're pretty much reacting as I did? We all understand your point (you've stated it again and again). We're not idiots. It's just that some of us don't agree with you. And that's how life is. I mean, do you go through life expecting everyone to agree with you 100% of the time? What makes your opinion so superior?

--QP