Why Democrats (Liberals) Piss Me Off

First off, I will say that I despise the Christian Right, which I used to be sympathetic to. I find them intolerant, narrow-minded, judgmental and pushy. I also despise the Fascists, who have no respect for individual liberty, often promote racism through ignorance (it's no secret that neo-Nazis tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale), and display the more primitive aspects of humanity with their blind nationalism.

I despise the pro-war conservatives who have enlarged our government while claiming to be for less government, and who are bringing the U.S. in deeper and deeper debt. Not to mention, I despise them for basing the war on Iraq on lies (Iraq was not linked to al-Qaeda nor did they, according to the U.N., possess WMD in recent years).

But I despise the hypocrisy of the left, which masks its aggression with human rights rhetoric. They often go on unfair witch hunts against "racists," "sexists," "fascists," and so forth, thus encouraging actual cases when people react to their excesses. They like to attack the character of their opponents (using moral rhetoric) rather than debate the issues (using the labels just mentioned).

I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences ("race does not exist") and engages in specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth. I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist." I have learned to accept this as a social bias extending beyond this forum, similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times that were beyond their control.

I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic. The system does not allow for a wide range of debate, and the Democrats by and large supported the war.

It's almost as if the Republican-bashing is mindless fashion.

read what i wrote in that "my mom wrote a letter" or some shit like that thread. pretty much sums up how most of the left is

LSD

Well sorry man but your post seems pretty confused. It seems high on anger and low on thought.

I mean "They often go on unfair witch hunts…" and "They like to attack the character…" who are ‘they’ all on the left some on the left some part of the left? And do you think only the ‘left’ are involved in this?

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I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

You might despise it but why, what are your reasons for this dislike?

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I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences

What do you mean by racial differences?

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specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth

Can you give an example?

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I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Can you give an example?

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Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist."

If you want to tell us who is your favourite fascist is go ahead no one is stopping you, just as no one is stopping you from telling us who is your favourite communist. What is your point?

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similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times

What present day thinkers are you talking about?

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I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic

Please clarify.

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Originally Posted by Balbus

LSD

Well sorry man but your post seems pretty confused. It seems high on anger and low on thought.

I was just bored last night, after having studied plenty. I come here and vent or see what's up to entertain myself.

I mean "They often go on unfair witch hunts…" and "They like to attack the character…" who are ‘they’ all on the left some on the left some part of the left? And do you think only the ‘left’ are involved in this?

Yeah, I think all groups can go on witch hunts. For example, FrontPageMag.com (www.frontpagemag.com) engages in smear tactics more than any other Web site I know of. But my aim in the post was principally at the way the left has narrowed debates on various issues with political correctness; some topics are just out of bounds.

What do you mean by racial differences?

The lie that "race does not exist," for example. It used to be that very progressive anthropologists called such notions quacky.

I wrote:

I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic.

You asked me to clarify, but this seems obvious. I'd hardly call voting Democrat working toward progress any more than voting Republican. Democrats are for big, bureaucratic government, just in a different way: Republicans spend on the war machine, while Democrats want to redistribute wealth, which unfairly punishes the most successful in a capitalist society; and they like to create all kinds of wasteful social programs.

I'm just trying to bring some perspective. Are you a Democrat, by the way?

all politicians suck, deal with it, and people get angry or at least tweaked and come in ready to fight because of the political idiocy on the outside, meanwhile you're seeing conservative bashing..... the conservatives are in power, it's what happens, they have been for awhile, most of the time I've been politically concious anyway.....


yeah they're the same, they pretend to hate eachother but to get some pork barrel funding to keep their ass in office they'll turn faster than can possibly be imagined, but most of the people who don't know that are either republicans who are going to vote under any condition or democrats who can't get off their ass long enough to vote...

I'm a left\independant, I'm on a more issue based system... but I'll have a tendancy to vote liberal because they admit they want big government, the right wing says they want small government but they have enlarged government more in their past few cycles of power than the liberals have since fdr.....

if I'm going to vote conservative it's getting to be a libratarian vote...

Democrats (liberals) piss me off as well, as do republicans (don't dare call them conservatives). Everything you said can apply to the republicans. Need I remind anyone how many DEMOCRATS voted for the unPatriot Act, for the Iraq war, etc. etc.
How many times has a republican attacked the character of an opponent? Any time that is done, that is because there is no legitimate means to attack their opinion (ad hominem attacks.) And how many times have republicans also justified war under the guise of human rights?
You want scientific malfeasance? How many republicans are for teaching "intelligent design" or worse in schools under the guise of "science". How many republicans oppose stem-cell research because of THEIR false idols?
You are right in saying that republicans and democrats are so much alike. I say they are exactly alike-they all tell the same lies to the same people to get the same votes. What REALLY pisses me off about the democrats at the moment is this: they have a unique opportunity to be a strong and true opposition party, but they chose not to. They chose to bitch and moan about bush, while failing to offer any viable alternatives. They chose to obstruct, rather than construct, and that is why we are where we are at today. They are weak and spineless and let the republicans do what they will. All this proves to me is that they truly are not different. What have we learned from all this-the only hope we have is in abandoning this 2-party oligarchy and allowing some true voices of dissent and ideas into the discourse. Otherwise, nothing will ever change.

Originally Posted by LSDSeeker

First off, I will say that I despise the Christian Right, which I used to be sympathetic to. I find them intolerant, narrow-minded, judgemental and pushy. I also despise the Fascists, who have no respect for individual liberty, often promote racism through ignorance (it's no secret that neo-Nazis tend to be on the low end of the intelligence scale), and display the more primitive aspects of humanity with their blind nationalism.

I despise the pro-war conservatives who have enlarged our government while claiming to be for less government, and who are bringing the U.S. in deeper and deeper debt. Not to mention, I despise them for basing the war on Iraq on lies (Iraq was not linked to al-Qaeda nor did they, according to the U.N., possess WMD in recent years).

But I despise the hypocrisy of the left, which masks its aggression with human rights rhetoric. They often go on unfair witch hunts against "racists," "sexists," "fascists," and so forth, thus encouraging actual cases when people react to their excesses. They like to attack the character of their opponents (using moral rhetoric) rather than debate the issues (using the labels just mentioned).

I despise the idea that the government should take care of people. Of course there are exceptional cases and they deserve a safety net; as do the elderly people, who are helpless and infirm.

I despise the scientific obscurantism of the left, which denies racial differences ("race does not exist") and engages in specious reasoning that is music to ears, rather than the truth. I despise that scientists are afraid of not receiving federal funds if their views on race and other issues are not politically correct.

Again, the hypocrisy: it's OK to argue "who was the best communist," but not "who was the best fascist." I have learned to accept this as a social bias extending beyond this forum, similar to the biases important thinkers had to accept in earlier times that were beyond their control.

I especially despise how Republicans and Democrats are so much alike, yet people pretend Republicans are evil and Democrats so humanistic. The system does not allow for a wide range of debate, and the Democrats by and large supported the war.

It's almost as if the Republican-bashing is mindless fashion.

Originally Posted by Slutter McGee

Jesus Christ. You summed up this forum completely. Love the post. Nice to see others still use their brain rather than believing all the mindless shit that is fed to them. There are some very intelligent liberals on here and I love having discussions with them. However the majority seem to be jackasses who only have two political views and can't form and argument to support either of them: Bush hates arab children and Republicans are evil. Bandwagon liberals if you will. Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

i like the way you think slutter :sunglasse

He's right though.
That's one reason I can't stand liberals.

yep. that makes about 5 of us in these forums

LSDseeker, your thread-starter resonated with me. I, too, see a lot of bullshit hyperbole and surely a lot of hypocrisy from the left. A lot of hate that they don't like to admit to, as well -- 'cause you know, they're supposed to be the party of inclusion and love and all that crap.


The biggest thing I can't stand about the left is the insistence that the People are not qualified or trustworthy enough to own guns and be able to handle them for their own defense. The utter wrongheadedness that results in an anti-gun ideology is just baffling. It's factually and intellectually bankrupt, and they just keep repeating lie after lie about it -- the lies don't even sound remotely convincing, either.

-Jeffrey