illuminati

[omwaver]

who hear knows anything about this cult? it would be cool if people would tell me what their about

[Trickster's Child]

The way I understand it, their either


A mystical order that practices High Magic for their own gains
The 'New World Order' that supposedly runs the planet without anyone knowing
A combination of the 2

[Kharakov]

Robert Anton Wilson wrote the Illuminatus Trilogy.

The Hindu Jai-an Temple off of route 22 outside of pittsburgh is located at 623 Illini Dr.

[shevek]

The way I understand it, their either

A mystical order that practices High Magic for their own gains
The 'New World Order' that supposedly runs the planet without anyone knowing
A combination of the 2
There are actually quite a few definitions of the Illuminati, though I find Robert Anton Wilson's to be perhaps the most entertaining of the bunch. (Also check out The Illuminati Papers by RAW, if you can find it -- it's a bit dated, but still interesting.) Many Masonic-type groups seem to identify themselves as Illuminati to one degree or another. I've heard of at least one political group, Marxist oriented and probably not affiliated with any Masonic group, that also calls itself Illuminati. Conspiracy theorists usually link the Illuminati with something sinister, though since the Nazis and the John Birch Society also take that view, I tend to be rather more skeptical of the conspiracy theories themselves. And who's to say that the whole Illuminati thing isn't just one big practical joke anyway? The irony is that is exactly what the Illuminati may be really about -- doing a good mindfuck and having a huge laugh at everybody! http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

[AannaSolo]

Pigs of the new world order - need I say more?

[Sebbi]

There's a lot of literature on the illuminati.


The one that I heard is that they are a group of people who have attained spiritual perfection who run the world from Argattha - the secret unground city somewhere in India.

They are said to have connections with many various secret societies, and Argattha is one of the places, according to the conspiracy theories that the Templars took refuge.

Hope this helps in the slightest, though I suspect it doesn't.

Blessings

Sebbi

[logchopper]

they are an ancient cult that had members like galileo. it wasnt really a cult back then. it was scientists who were trying to do there work without the church knowing. they met in secret places, and noone knew what they were or who was in it for a long time. but then people started missinterpreting them as a satanic cult and started murdering, stealing, etc. etc. in the name of the illuminati. and to my knowledge they have been long gone for like 400 yrs. you should read angels and demons by dan brown. it is a fiction story, but it gives alot of interesting facts about the illiminatus and there followers.

[Sebbi]

I would suggest to anyone and everyone to stear clear of Dan Brown - his work is just capatalising in on an already flourishing market of conspiracy fiction.

To be honest, if you want to go down the route of well researched fiction read "Foucalt's Pendulum" by Umberto Eco (same guy who wrote "Name of the Rose"). Not only is it ridiculously well researched but it's also a much more interesting read than Dan Brown.

Where was I?

Oh yes. The illuminati, according to the conspiracies had LINKS to people like Gallileo and such but did not include these people. There are many secret societies, like for example the Gnostics, Templars, Rosicrucians, Masons, who according to the conspiracies included the sort of men you mention, and these secret societies generally had people at the top of them who ran the group and these men were pawns for the illuminati. So the link is indirect. The Illuminati itself is always said to be a VERY small group (a dozen people or so, or lets make the number more interesting, 13).

According to most conspiracies the illuminati have been around for ALOT longer than 400 years. If you're going to run the world you've got to start out early and this means BEFORE the Templars, Masons, Rosicrucians, and the rest of them can get there. 400 years would be much to young for this seeing as most reasonably powerful mystical societies had already been set up by this point.

Blessings

Sebbi

[AannaSolo]

Try this link for a great explanation

CIA and Satanism

http://www.mypetgoat.tv//content/view/12/30/

Tells you all about the illuminati

[Oz!]

The illuminati....a handy work of fiction that lets people believe that they [as individuals] ain't responisble for the state of the world today :D

[AannaSolo]

The illuminati....a handy work of fiction that lets people believe that they [as individuals] ain't responisble for the state of the world today :D
Really?
Check this link from the Ex head of the FBI - the CIA and satanism

http://www.mypetgoat.tv//content/view/12/30/

[dd3stp233]

The best article for what the real Illuminati was about - http://www.atheists.org/Atheism/roots/enlightenment/

Think about it. The true Illuminati- the enlightened ones- would they care about controlling the world?

[eightysixed]

Robert Anton Wilson wrote the Illuminatus Trilogy. You forgot Robert Shea, who was the co-author http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif

[MollyThe Hippy]

You forgot Robert Shea, who was the co-author http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif
Shea Stadium

[eightysixed]

Oh no :)


Shea International Flea Market, which is located on an islet in the middle of the subterranean sea. You can easily buy there any Atlantean book, even in modern translation.

[malakala]

Why read Illumanati "fiction", when you can read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper...this book is truly frightening.

[eightysixed]

Judging at least by the fact that Mr. Cooper included in his book Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was a counterfeit without a doubt, Behold a Pale Horse is a piece of fiction too, however frightening it may seem.

[malakala]

Judging at least by the fact that Mr. Cooper included in his book Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was a counterfeit without a doubt, Behold a Pale Horse is a piece of fiction too, however frightening it may seem.
Just a thought...wouldn't it serve those in question (the illumanati, etc.) best for us all to BELIEVE that the "Protocols" was/is phony? Not agreeing or disagreeing, just sayin', can't always believe what's out there, either way. I didn't accept all of "Behold", but it was food for thought and supposedly real...

[eightysixed]

Sure it would. And I guess the opposite idea, namely, that the Protocols are the real document of a certain Zionist gathering, serves even better, since it distracts the attention of those who believe it from real problems. But in this case, I think, there is no need to believe, because the main source of the Protocols, Maurice Joly’s Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu, is well known. The story of the forgery is well known too. Also, the style of the Protocols is so derisive and scoffing that this is obvious that the author, or authors, didn’t write it as a classified plan, but intended to spread it among the public, awaiting the indignant reaction of the Gentile. In no way it could be the official document.

Actually, I am not going to say that Behold is a bad book, but I see no difference between supposedly real books and outright fiction, except that fiction writers are more honest. In some sense, everything is fiction. The real difference is in spirit only.

[malakala]

I got you....and fully agree that in some sense, everything is fiction. Look at the text books we were taught with as youth! Actually, the impact that fiction has on one, metaphorically, shouldn't differ all that greatly from the impact of a work of non-fiction anyway. At least that could be said about the great works of literature, not some grocery store romance novel. My point is, beware that which claims to be non-fiction, as it may be a fraud while also keeping in mind that there may be ulterior motives for an author's writing something as purely a work of "fiction"...

[eightysixed]

Look at the text books we were taught with as youth!Things are even worse http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif The Ancient Greek youth were forced to invent letters on behalf of famous persons as a part of their education. For them, it was drill and sometimes fun, for modern scholars – headache and maybe, for the smartest of them, also fun http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif Many of those letters had been accepted as authentic just in a hundred of years after they were written. Some of them are real fun to read, especially those ascribed to Diogenes of Sinope.

[Chodpa]

Any human who thinks they control the events in this world cannot be Illuminati because world events cannot be controlled, any more than one can control how long it takes to get a pizza from Pizza Hut.

Once things are set in motion on any front, they can no longer be controlled. If someone is Illuminati then they have wisdom, and would know this. Therefore people thinking they are true Illuminati and thinking they control anything cannot be true Illuminati.

Many groups of people may think they are Illuminati when in fact they are not. True Illuminati are spiritual healers and counselors. They may not have any formal affiliation with each other. They may only be acting alone even, but their goal is the longevity of life in totality.

If people have a religious, or political, or material agenda then I submit that they are ipso facto unwise, and not the Illuminati.

The true Illuminati are the advaitins of the world, the nondualists who support life itself and no specific faction of persons who wish to harvest or control life for their own selfish ends.

That's it!

[eightysixed]

Any human who thinks they control the events in this world.... In order to control the world, whether it is possible or not, there is no need to control Pizza Huts, since they are very well self-censored, the same way as life is self-supporting ;) This is a dispute about definitions. You suppose that the Illuminati are wise, which is not necessarily so. In my personal opinion, someone who has any goal, be it Pizza Hut control, longevity, having breakfast in Venice and dinner in Paris, Advaita, mowing a lawn tomorrow morning, etc., is already dual and unwise. But anyway, this thread is not about wisdom, as far as I understand it. The Illuminati easily can be stupid. You may say that they are not true in this case, but it’s hard to believe that true hidden sages would cling to a name and raise claims concerning their authenticity. If they, those enlightened non-dualists you mentioned, have ever had a name at all, it should sound like, ahem, Pizza Hut :) So it would be better to leave the name Illuminati for the unwise, I think, because it is too pompous.

[Chodpa]

I suppose this was the gist of what I was saying.

As for whether advaitists have no goals, that's another subject, and the answer would be - yes.

[Kaiser 4 Sunflowers]

The way I understand it, their either


A mystical order that practices High Magic for their own gains
The 'New World Order' that supposedly runs the planet without anyone knowing
A combination of the 2

It's a combination of the two.

[billy_bong_420]

The Illuminati was a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin.

In the paranoid mind, the Illuminati succeeded in their goals, and have now infiltrated every government and every aspect of society. They are responsible for every evil and every unjust act that ever occurs anywhere; the fact that absolutely no evidence of their existence can be found only serves to make them stronger and more frightening. They are the demon in the closet, and will probably never disappear from the paranoid fantasy world of right-wing conspiracy theorists.

[BlazingDervish]

The illuminati....a handy work of fiction that lets people believe that they [as individuals] ain't responisble for the state of the world today :DWhile my jury is out on whether the big controlling elite group that runs the world acutally exists, Oz makes a very valid point about responsiblity. I've seen many conspiricy theorists with this view. Their only solution to anything is 'Why bother' 'cause the elite control it all anyways. " I just want to make you aware" and then offer nothing but passing the buck onto these mysterious big wigs.

[aspirine]

The chant to power is Illummmin aahhhhhnnnn tiiiieeee.
That was a seckret, but not anymore.

[XBloodyNailPolishX]

I believe the Illuminati are real... I'm just not sure what their intentions are yet...

[heru]

one of the secrets of the illuminati is on the back of the us dollar bill the eye in the pyramid - in ancient egypt the eye in the capstone of the pyramid was the eye of horus - amun ra ptah is the true christian trinity - amun is the hidden aspect of god=the father ,ra is jesus christ , ptah is horus who is the reincarnation of ra and creator of the universe - hetep - the christian biblical trinity is false because they put holy spirit in the place of the reincarnation of ra - the myth of osiris is about the 2nd coming of christ