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deadsilence020
06-14-2005, 04:16 PM
(Sources are from the Documentary "Grass" - If you havn't seen it, you should)

Hello everyone, this is my first time posting, I am a very new member.

Grass, although people have been smoking it for thousands of years, it didnt reach the USA until the mexicans came in looking for work in El Paso, Texas. The white people didnt like these people... so they made a law banning posession of Marijuana (because they liked to smoke it).

Years passed, lots (we are skipping a few minor Marijuana banning laws and such throught the state). A man named Harry J Anslinger, Commis. of the Federal Bur. Of Narcotics, started a Campaign against the drug, (for whatever his reason, must have had a stick up his ass or something against mexicans), he couldnt get Marijauana acts passed alone, so he wanted to get the people of the country terrified of this drug, so he started Radio Ads, TV Ads, Movie Ads, every possible media source, and lied in them. Ex: Marijuana Kills you, It will make you Insane, You will kill other people. So people, in all their wisdom, were scared shitless and asked congress to make new laws banning the narcotic all over.

Now, more years, and more fake ad campaigns and billions of dollars wasted later, this idiot named Nixon was elected. Blah blah blah, he started all these anti-drug actions. But some people wanted scientifical answers about this drug. So for the first time, since the early 1900's, scientific testing was approved for Marijuana. This is what came up: Caused you to be sleepy, Hungry, Intoxicated, and happy... (duhh, what people have been saying the whole time). So Nixon was reccomended by a council, that private use and private experimentation would be ok, and could be legalized.... he completly dissaproved of the reccomendation.... the test results came in.. he discarded them without ever looking at them... thousands even millions dollars wasted...Nixon wanted to be tough on crime... but was a criminal himself, he had to resign...

The new secret weapon of Reagon, to Bush Sr, and to Bush Jr. against Weed... was attacking the problem before it became one... the Youth...the Kids... I think we all know about the DARE, and Just Say No programs dont we? Go ask a kid now if he wants to toke up with you and your buddies, see what the response is... lol... it proves effective right? I dont think we will see a day when Marijuana is legal in the United States... I think we should all save our breath on getting it legal....

Thanks for reading this!!!

-E

deadsilence020
06-14-2005, 04:52 PM
bump

FireezDragon
07-03-2005, 12:35 PM
i was told by a history teacher that it was very much a political and economical move relared to taxation problems

rangerdanger
07-05-2005, 04:11 AM
The reason marijuana was banned:
Dupont was working on synthetic fibers (nylon, etc.),
W.R. Hearst had millions invested in timber,
and alcohol prohibition had been repealed, and H.J. Alsinger was out of a job.
America needs demons. First it was demon rum. When prohibition was repealed the gov't invented demon weed.
At the time marijuana was used mainly by Mexicans, Negro's and musicians.
Congress acted illegally by prohibiting marijuana, but they got away with it because H.J.A. had scared them (which, btw, is why jr. got elected president, fear based on lies).

The reason marijuana is illegal to-day is mainly economic. If marijuana was legalized this minute, prob a million people would have to get new jobs.
Less cops needed, as well as less judges, lawyers, courtrooms, prisons, guards. The pharmacutical industry would take a big dip.

Legal marijuana goes hand-in-hand with legal hemp. So millions of $$ in timber would be lost. The textiles industry would be stood on it's head.
Just as many jobs would be created however.
And the earth would be healthier.
Example: An acre of hemp produces 3 x the paper pulp that timber does. Legal hemp would mean the paper pulp industry would re-tool to make paper out of hemp. That means less trees chopped down. It would eliminate clear-cutting. Ir would cut the use of pesticides and herbicides which the timber industry uses, because marijuana grows so thickly it chokes out weeds and hemp has few natural enemies (except man).

Politicians recieve billions of $$ by keeping marijuana illegal. All the industries/groups mentioned above contibute heavily to the anti-marijuana forces.
he U.S. gov't makes billions by controlling the illegal drug market. Believe it or not, the gov't imports billions of $$ worth of illegal drugs into this country. There is no "war on drugs", it's a "war on competition".
If marijuana was legal, millions of people would no longer be forced to get their weed on the black market.
Lots of dealers sell other drugs besides pot; truely harmful, addictive drugs. People smoke weed and find out the gov't has been lying to them. So they deciede to try other drugs to see if the gov't was lying about those too. The gov't knows this and counts on it.
Marijuana prohibition is also responsible for the loss of thousads of innocent lives yearly.
Legal pot--less need invade places like Iraq to get their oil.
Legal pot--less need to invade Afganistan (the reason the U.S. invaded Afganistan was to build a oil pipeline across Afganistan, and to re-vitalize opium poppy cultivation, which the Taliban has virtually wiped out).
Not to mention the millions of lives ruined here at home (prison record, assest seizures) because of a plant.

The solution: start at the local level. Find out which candidates are pro-pot; campaign and vote for them.
Act to get meaures on local and state-wide ballots to end pot prohibition.
When enough people become pro-pot, marijuana will be legal.

Beleg
07-05-2005, 05:28 AM
I agree with everything you said, aside from Iraq and Afganistan. We invaded Iraq for oil, and Afganistan for Osama.

The road to legalization will be a long and hard one. It will not be suddenly legalized. As you said, many MANY people make tons of money off keeping marijuana illegal, these people will not give up with out a fight, and there fighting as hard as they can to keep us down.

Currently we are fighting the battle over medical marijuana, and we are winning, despite the recent court ruling. Rhoad Island now allows medical use, and there are several states on the verge of pushing for it. A good deal of americans, more then 2/3 of the population, think that medical marijuana should be allowed. I believe the first big victory will be getting congress to bring marijuana down from Schedule 1 to Schedule 2 (dangerous, but accepted medical value. Cocaine is in this one).

Jack_Straw2208
07-05-2005, 05:36 AM
The reason marijuana was banned:
Dupont was working on synthetic fibers (nylon, etc.),
W.R. Hearst had millions invested in timber,
and alcohol prohibition had been repealed, and H.J. Alsinger was out of a job.
America needs demons. First it was demon rum. When prohibition was repealed the gov't invented demon weed.
At the time marijuana was used mainly by Mexicans, Negro's and musicians.
Congress acted illegally by prohibiting marijuana, but they got away with it because H.J.A. had scared them (which, btw, is why jr. got elected president, fear based on lies).

The reason marijuana is illegal to-day is mainly economic. If marijuana was legalized this minute, prob a million people would have to get new jobs.
Less cops needed, as well as less judges, lawyers, courtrooms, prisons, guards. The pharmacutical industry would take a big dip.

Legal marijuana goes hand-in-hand with legal hemp. So millions of $$ in timber would be lost. The textiles industry would be stood on it's head.
Just as many jobs would be created however.
And the earth would be healthier.
Example: An acre of hemp produces 3 x the paper pulp that timber does. Legal hemp would mean the paper pulp industry would re-tool to make paper out of hemp. That means less trees chopped down. It would eliminate clear-cutting. Ir would cut the use of pesticides and herbicides which the timber industry uses, because marijuana grows so thickly it chokes out weeds and hemp has few natural enemies (except man).

Politicians recieve billions of $$ by keeping marijuana illegal. All the industries/groups mentioned above contibute heavily to the anti-marijuana forces.
he U.S. gov't makes billions by controlling the illegal drug market. Believe it or not, the gov't imports billions of $$ worth of illegal drugs into this country. There is no "war on drugs", it's a "war on competition".
If marijuana was legal, millions of people would no longer be forced to get their weed on the black market.
Lots of dealers sell other drugs besides pot; truely harmful, addictive drugs. People smoke weed and find out the gov't has been lying to them. So they deciede to try other drugs to see if the gov't was lying about those too. The gov't knows this and counts on it.
Marijuana prohibition is also responsible for the loss of thousads of innocent lives yearly.
Legal pot--less need invade places like Iraq to get their oil.
Legal pot--less need to invade Afganistan (the reason the U.S. invaded Afganistan was to build a oil pipeline across Afganistan, and to re-vitalize opium poppy cultivation, which the Taliban has virtually wiped out).
Not to mention the millions of lives ruined here at home (prison record, assest seizures) because of a plant.

The solution: start at the local level. Find out which candidates are pro-pot; campaign and vote for them.
Act to get meaures on local and state-wide ballots to end pot prohibition.
When enough people become pro-pot, marijuana will be legal.

noooooo, marijuana is illegal because it is bad for you. everyone knows that.

adoutsider
07-05-2005, 10:45 AM
I also would say it is illegal due to lack of good common information on the subject, most people have been taught all throughout school that Drugs are bad for you, plain and simple... How many politicians will actualy take the time to actualy research something?

Anybody know how many congressman read the patriot act befor it got signed?

rangerdanger
07-05-2005, 12:56 PM
Beleg:
The Taliban offered to turn Osama over if the U.S. would provide it with evidence why jr. suspected him.
jr. said no deal.
The current president of Afganistan used to work for Unocal.
If you don't believe the war/drugs connection, read up on Iran-Contra.

Good luck on getting congress to re-classify marijuana. They won't do shit until Americans demand it.
When politicians see that people are less likely to vote for them because of their anti-mj stance they will change and not before, because they currently get millions for their campaigns from people who want it illegal.

adoutsider: none.

Beleg
07-05-2005, 01:18 PM
But the current big step is medical marijuana. After that, hemp. Then after awile, full out legalization. I'd give it 5-15 years from now, at the rate were going.

2cesarewild
07-05-2005, 07:35 PM
The reason marijuana was banned:
Dupont was working on synthetic fibers (nylon, etc.),
W.R. Hearst had millions invested in timber,
and alcohol prohibition had been repealed, and H.J. Alsinger was out of a job.
America needs demons. First it was demon rum. When prohibition was repealed the gov't invented demon weed.
At the time marijuana was used mainly by Mexicans, Negro's and musicians.
Congress acted illegally by prohibiting marijuana, but they got away with it because H.J.A. had scared them (which, btw, is why jr. got elected president, fear based on lies).

Jesus I am glad somebody posts the real reason it was made illegal. People are always saying racism was why pot was made illegal, when racism was just a propaganda technique to help persuade the public to hate marijuana, and to persuade congress to make hemp illegal. Cash rules everything, and the rich want to stay rich.

WishIWasAHippie
07-08-2005, 11:29 AM
That part about it being brought over Mexicans was BS...it was grown in the colonies waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Texas was even established...

All the rest, as far as I know, is true.

RangerDanger, you are my idol :)

rangerdanger
07-08-2005, 03:42 PM
WishIWasAHippie:
What was grown in the colonies wasn't cannibus, it was industrial hemp, used since prehistoric times for cloth and rope and many other things.
The first U.S. flag was made of hemp cloth, btw, and the draft of the U.S. Constitution was written on hemp paper.

Anyway, industrial hemp has very very little THC, you can smoke that shit all day and get nothing but a headache. So don't smoke your friend's hemp backpack.

Cannibus was brought by Mexicans to what is now the southwest U.S., and also by merchant seamen from the West Indies into New Orleans around the same time, where it was favored by jazz musicians.

Little known factoid:
I've always wondered how cannibus got the name marijuana.
After all, MariJuana (MaryJane) is a common woman's name.
So why not PeggySue or LindaLou?
Here's the straight dope:
In the late 1800's/early 1900's there was a brand of cigarette's in Mexico called--you--guessed it--Marijuana. It was the brand name of a cigarette. It had a drawing of a woman on the pack. At some point back around then cannibus picked up the slang marijuana.

Sudden thought--if someone found one of thos old packs they could prob. sell it for a lot of $$ on e-bay.

deadsilence020
07-08-2005, 04:29 PM
That part about it being brought over Mexicans was BS...it was grown in the colonies waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay before Texas was even established...

All the rest, as far as I know, is true.

RangerDanger, you are my idol :)
Yeah u are right about the colonies, but it wasnt first smoked in Texas really until the mexicans brought it over to do so while after workin in fields.

By the way, im shocked as hell that this thread is still the leading one on here... i made this thread like last month, and it was my first... lol

smileyjohn
07-08-2005, 05:22 PM
The reason marijuana was banned:
Dupont was working on synthetic fibers (nylon, etc.),
W.R. Hearst had millions invested in timber...
Interesting site at http://www.cannabis.com/untoldstory/hemp_5.shtml

Check out the links to two magazine articles written within a year before marijuana was prohibited.

deadsilence020
07-08-2005, 05:31 PM
"Hemp is the standard fiber of the world. It has great tensile strength and durability. It is used to produce more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contain more than 77 percent cellulose, which can be used to produce more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane."

I got that from the article... theres ure answer, thats one of the main reasons its illegal nowadays. Its too big of cash cropt.... if hemp was used to make everything tons of buisiness using other dumbass ways to make something with so many artificial things, that could be easily made with hemp, would be out of work... we dont want multi-billion dollar companies to lose money now do we! NOO NO THAT!

But on the flip side, if we used hemp, which is a plant that grows fast and produces an abundance, it would be HIGHLY beneficial to the earth and the enviroment... but greedy companies and corporations always want that money in there pocket, so they just wont have it.

2cesarewild
07-08-2005, 06:13 PM
Another thing people don't realize is that their hemp sneakers and hemp clothes would be DIRT cheap if hemp was legal to grow here (in the US). As of now, in the US, hemp has to be imported. This makes it cost more in the stores, while the .gov makes money off of tariffs.

Colours
07-09-2005, 02:07 AM
I remember reading that one of the founding fathers liked to indulge in the occasional J.

deadsilence020
07-09-2005, 02:56 AM
The slater man said himself... Geroge washington grew fields of that shit man... and even though it was a movie, he was right, George washington DID grow fields of that shit all over cuz he knew it was a good cash cropt. And Martha Washington indeed, did have a fat bowl waitin for George after a hard days work. See... thats why Slater is my god... cuz he does know all!!! Lol

ihavenoideawhatsgoin
07-09-2005, 03:22 AM
So did Jefferson.

empathy
07-09-2005, 03:38 AM
i saw this show on the history channel about the history of weed. it said that during the depression all the white ppl in the food handouts didn't want mexican people there too. so since the mexicans were known to smoke weed the government passed a law against it...

if you had this marijuana stamp you could buy it, but to get the stamp you had to go to a government building or something with your marijuana. but if you had marijuana they could arrest you. so one way or another they forced a lot of mexican immigrants out of the US.

so pretty much, the mexican's were a great labor force in the 20's but during the 30's the white men didn't want them around to share with. so they outlawed weed because it was the only way to get them back to mexico.

so why don't they make it legal again?

p.s.: i was watching this while i was stoned... laughed my ass off at all the propaganda films.

deadsilence020
07-09-2005, 04:47 AM
Why dont they make it legal?

Well because its a drug! And drugs are bad! and BAD things will happen!! Shame on you... Im telling my DARE officer!

Colours
07-09-2005, 08:34 AM
Alcohols a drug

WishIWasAHippie
07-09-2005, 02:10 PM
Sorry, I thought we were just talking the plant in general, not neccesarily cannabis... (Well, you get what I mean)

Caffeine is a drug...everything is a drug, bannanas technically are as well haha

element7
07-09-2005, 05:16 PM
if you had this marijuana stamp you could buy it, but to get the stamp you had to go to a government building or something with your marijuana. but if you had marijuana they could arrest you.
They tried repeating that years ago in Tejas. Sent out these flyers and stuff that said bring your mj to the courthouse for a tax-stamp. Nowhere did it say that it was legalized or anything. At the time I worked for a tri-county paper. We published the pic of the stamp, the flyer, and the full lowdown on what they were trying to do (get people to just go get themselves arrested at the courthouse), boy were they pissed at us for mucking up their scam. :)

From what I've read though, different places still try the scam "sting" from time to time and have actually had people show up http://www.hipforums.com/forums/images/smilies/confused.gif

deadsilence020
07-10-2005, 01:07 AM
Get this.... if the pigs find out that you are giving an unfair price for marijuana, they can charge you for that as well for dealing.

For example, Johnny the dealer is selling a qaurter (of low grade stuff) for 100 dollars, and Bob the buyer buys it thinking hes getting an awsome deal... then the pigs bust johnny for not giving a fair trade agreement..on top of a dealing an illegal narcotic charge.......a fair trade agreement, aka a decent price.

Now... I dont know if its just me, but that is utter bullshit... even when something is illegal in this coutry, the government tells us how we have to sell it. LOL

sm0key42o8
08-04-2005, 07:19 PM
I am so glad you actually have the right facts on this. I was already to come in here and throw out Mr. A, but you have it right. I think it is also funny that they used the machine gun tariff to put a tariff on herb...

gotta love the U.S. government!

outlaw immortal
08-04-2005, 11:58 PM
here's my theory.


the government can easily tax cigarettes but not cannabis. cigarettes do you much more damage (cause cancer etc). they want you to smoke cigarettes instead. the more damage they do the better as the government doesn't have to pay out for your pension.

they get the tax and no pension costs - very clever people. yet using the law to save themselves money is taking the piss.

ginseng23
08-09-2005, 04:08 AM
noooooo, marijuana is illegal because it is bad for you. everyone knows that.
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since it costs alot to win, and even more to lose...

Dude i don't know if you are being sarcastic, humorous or what, but you are completely ignorant if you think that, the 3 reasons why it is illegal is:

1. Economics, the government doesnt want something that is natural and anyone can grow themselves, they like alcohol on the other hand since it is alot harder to brew your own, If pot was legal they couldnt control the sale of every sale because most people would say forget buying it at the store theyll grow it themselves. Same reason why prositution is illegal, not because the act itself is immoral its because the government isnt collecting any money from it.

2. Cotton farmers didnt like hemp since it might make them lose their cotton farming business

3. Racism. Yes there was tons of marijuana hysteria known as reefer madness where they blamed the latinos on seducing and raping white women under the influence of marijuana.

So next time do a little research first instead of being ignorant like the majority of americans are, ok?

OpeY_McpoT
08-09-2005, 01:31 PM
no its good bud is illegal if it were legal it would be pump full of addictives and shit like that

ginseng23
08-10-2005, 05:18 AM
The damn government wants people to eat the wrong foods, and smoke and drink and do all sort of things so everyone gets cancer and the stupid FDA and doctors can then make money either doing surgeries( doctors), or prescribing pills( also doctors And fda). The FDA and doctors dont like intelligent people who can think for themselves and find natural cures from fruits and vegetables and say the hell with taking their synthetic crap that is only about money.

Herbs arnt just a chinese or 3rd world thing people, wake up. Germany and the UK are alot smarter when it comes to herbs and health.

The doctors in Germany prescribe herbs to people. What the FDA doesnt want people to know about is the perfect natural way to fight cholesterol problems: OLIVE OIL.

Yes it is much more effective than taking a synthetic. Olive oil is full of mono-unsaturated fat which is the good fat that can actually prevent heart disease and cancers of all sorts, but most of u idiots would rather take VIOX or some other stupid synthetic which treats one thing and causes another! Americans make me laugh at how ignorant they are.

Shaman420
08-10-2005, 06:25 AM
no its good bud is illegal if it were legal it would be pump full of addictives and shit like that
I highly doubt your smoking organic buds kid... I know your not.

adoutsider
08-11-2005, 09:44 AM
noooooo, marijuana is illegal because it is bad for you. everyone knows that.
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since it costs alot to win, and even more to lose...

Dude i don't know if you are being sarcastic, humorous or what, but you are completely ignorant if you think that, the 3 reasons why it is illegal is:

1. Economics, the government doesnt want something that is natural and anyone can grow themselves, they like alcohol on the other hand since it is alot harder to brew your own, If pot was legal they couldnt control the sale of every sale because most people would say forget buying it at the store theyll grow it themselves. Same reason why prositution is illegal, not because the act itself is immoral its because the government isnt collecting any money from it.

2. Cotton farmers didnt like hemp since it might make them lose their cotton farming business

3. Racism. Yes there was tons of marijuana hysteria known as reefer madness where they blamed the latinos on seducing and raping white women under the influence of marijuana.

So next time do a little research first instead of being ignorant like the majority of americans are, ok?
1.
And people can't just as easily grow tobacco as weed, yet how many people do you know with tobacco in there gardens?

Moonshine is far from difficult to reproduce, and actualy if they did legalize it they would control MAJORITY of it, because people are lazy(especialy stoners) and would rather buy it than grow it...

2.
And how much power do cotton farmers have within legislation?

3.
Maybe crazy ass mexicans shouldn't get high and kill/rape people....

rangerdanger
08-11-2005, 12:55 PM
1. There are hundreds and thousands of "stoners" (guess med m-j patients don't count) that would rather grow it than buy it as of right now. Are you saying that if marijuana was legalized LESS people would grow their own?

2. The textile industry had and still does have a lot of pull in gov't. Same with the timber and pharmicutical Corp's.

3. "crazy ass mexicans" don't get higher or kill/rape more people than crazy ass white folks.
All illegal drug laws have their roots in rascism. That's why the penalties for crack cocaine (preferred by blacks) are twice as severe as those for powdered cocaine (preferred by whites) even though it's the same substance.

WhisperingWoods
08-11-2005, 08:14 PM
Right now, with the state of the USA, we're just being stubborn. Reliable science is showing the benefits of smoking and disproving the myths. Economists agree that legalization is good for the economy in more ways than one. Conservatives are being stubborn pricks about the issue, and very much dislike change & new information. The government is stubborn, half the population is stubborn, what a crock of shit.

Conspriacy99X
08-12-2005, 04:47 PM
Because they can't tax medicine that's why. Also to many people are adbusing the drug for recreational use.

fullybaked
08-12-2005, 05:26 PM
cuz the damn government said so

kayy
08-22-2005, 06:19 PM
how can somebody say " this plant is illelegal" !...???
i beleive that the "normal" way of legislations are totally ficked up, we don't have īmuch power there, i mean EVEN HERE in the hippforums there are some ignorants.....
I think that if we start to build our own network, produce on the black market or start playing games with the machime, and not play with the same rules, this world is really fuck up, i get really angry when i read about all this greed

boothy
08-23-2005, 01:26 AM
1. There are hundreds and thousands of "stoners" (guess med m-j patients don't count) that would rather grow it than buy it as of right now. Are you saying that if marijuana was legalized LESS people would grow their own?
Yes I think the number or homegrowers would go down a lot, if tabacco was made illegal, then a lot of people would start growing that. However, it is legal, therfore people don't bother. It's easier to just go down the local shop.

blindhobosam
09-09-2005, 05:44 PM
noooooo, marijuana is illegal because it is bad for you. everyone knows that.
tobacco's bad for you and still legal.


even if you intended it to be sarcasm it needed to be said.

2cesarewild
09-10-2005, 12:01 AM
Of behalf of everybody everywhere, Thank you captain obvious.

underplay
10-09-2005, 06:53 AM
Yes I think the number or homegrowers would go down a lot, if tabacco was made illegal, then a lot of people would start growing that. However, it is legal, therfore people don't bother. It's easier to just go down the local shop.Exacly. All the government has to do is make the damn drug legal and instead of losing money we will gain money from the taxes. If it was made legal, i guarantee you they will find a way to tax it without that medical bs.

Twizz
10-09-2005, 03:25 PM
The reason marijuana isn't legal today in Canada is mainly because of this; If weed became legal, the sales of alcohol would go down greatly. Since the government owns all LCBO and Beer Stores across Canada, then that means they are strongly against it, not the people. I think it is a stupid idea to outlaw weed, but at the same time have a very lethal item (cigarrettes) on the shelf at every dollar store, or variety store. If only the authorities would look to the citizens for help and not into their wallet.

darksideofthemoon
10-24-2005, 02:17 AM
BUMP...bigtime



The reason marijuana isn't legal today in Canada is mainly because of this; If weed became legal, the sales of alcohol would go down greatly. Since the government owns all LCBO and Beer Stores across Canada, then that means they are strongly against it, not the people. I think it is a stupid idea to outlaw weed, but at the same time have a very lethal item (cigarrettes) on the shelf at every dollar store, or variety store. If only the authorities would look to the citizens for help and not into their wallet.what if the government sold good shit, i think profit would go up:)

JoneeEarthquake
10-25-2005, 04:02 AM
weed is illegal because pleasure is the devil!

Beleg
10-25-2005, 04:25 AM
The reason marijuana isn't legal today in Canada is mainly because of this; If weed became legal, the sales of alcohol would go down greatly. Since the government owns all LCBO and Beer Stores across Canada, then that means they are strongly against it, not the people.Holy crap, you cant be serious can you? Why the hell would alcohol sales go down?! People will drink alcohol no matter what. Legalized marijuana or not.

One of the main reasons marijuana isn't legal in your fine country is that it isn't legal in the US yet. The fact of the matter is that Canada and the US are each others biggest trade partners (in legal goods), if weed were to be legalized in Canada (like, "sold on shelves at super markets" legal) the border patrol and checkpoints going into America would have hell trying to stop the flow of drugs. VERY strict trade laws, regulations, limits, and security checks would be implanted to keep the legal Canadian weed out of America. NEATHER country wants this, as it will hurt trade between them and weaken both there economys. Eather both will have to eventually legalize, or neather will. Decriminalization on the other hand will likely happen to Canada in the near future no matter what America does...

erossnj
11-06-2005, 01:00 AM
Obviously pot is illegal in the US b/c of obiesity (this was a big deal in the US I think) and all the health issues that come w/ it. Just imagine if we had all these overweight americans running around w/ the munchies! When marijuana is legalized, I'm opening a restaurant.

freakon
11-06-2005, 12:48 PM
ok legalise it, I totally agree. But, don't think it is some kind of a miracle weed, i have seen full time chillum smokers, and they do tend to drink a lot..... So, it's not that we'll a enter a new age of peace and no alcolhol........... if we legalise it

mr.morrison
11-20-2005, 06:48 AM
well, wut we need is a good speaker who knows ALL the facts and can convince people of the truth. most smokers of weed are generally more lazy than non-smokers. i hate to say it but its true. we need to get off our asses and start getting more involved. talk is cheap. we need action. we need rich stoners to make ads and media pro-maryjane ads. once im 18 ill be in every protest around man. plus if it was legal i wouldnt buy it from the store. chances are they would do the same thing as the did with tobacco. they would put chemicals in it and make it bad for u. i would grow my own. but first i gotta get out of high school. lol

cosmicdust
11-26-2005, 03:58 AM
Simply, it's a huge cash crop that interferes with the interests of the ruling elite (International Bankers, NWO, "Illuminati" or whatever fun name you want to call them). Money and power go hand in hand. Marijuana/hemp has like 25,000 uses! It can't be patented, so there is less control over it. Alot more money can be made with with patented items (however, they're usually more toxic!)

The petroleum, pharmaceutical, alcohol and cotton industries would loose money and profits. CONSULT: The Emperor Wears No Clothes, by Jack Herer (The #1 Best-Selling Hemp Book of All Time!). While attending an Ann Arbor HASH BASH (maybe in April 2004), I saw and heard JACK HERER in person! He did have a stroke and slurs his speech, somewhat, but I could still understand him.

The Marijuana Conspiracy-The Real Reason Hemp is Illegal-

"The truth is if marijuana was utilized for its vast array of commercial products, it would create an industrial atomic bomb! Entrepreneurs have not been educated on the product potential of pot. The super rich have conspired to spread misinformation about an extremely versatile plant-that if used properly, would ruin their companies." (by Doug Yurchy-Posted here: June 18, 2005) LINK: www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm (http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm).

Part of this "mis-information" is blaming the Mexicans for pot and the Chinese for opium, in our country. It's a smokescreen, a diversion. Wag the dog! Then, there is the IRAN/CONTRA controversy, from years ago, where George Bush, Sr., Ollie North, General Noriega, etc. got caught running drugs and guns for the government. George Bush Sr. is ex-CIA. This is old news, made public. John F. Kennedy told the CIA: "Stop selling drugs!" Now he's dead! It's all about greedy, powerful men wanting money and control!

Another excellant article is: (The Elkhorn Manifesto) SHADOW OF THE SWASTIKA: The Real Reason the Government Won't Debate Medical Cannabis and Industrial Hemp Re-Legalization-An Open Letter to All Americans-By R. William Davis-Documented Evidence of a Secret Business and Political Alliance Between the U.S. "Establishment" and The Nazis - Before, During and After World War II - up to the present)
LINK: www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html (http://www.sumeria.net/politics/shadv3.html)
All about money, power and contol, again!

Bill Clinton had a surplus of money at the end of his presidency, because he had many pot smokers arrested and built many new prisons! Pot smokers are an easy target to arrest, because they're more laid back and docile. Militia and Patriot groups would be a problem, because they'd cause a Civil War, or Revolution, plus they're highly trained and armed. The mafia have a scam called "pump and sump", which Bill Clinton and George Bush Jr. used. Clinton built up a surplus of cash before he left office (the "pump"), while George Bush Jr. "stole" all the money (the "sump"). Now we have a nasty national debt, again. But keeping people in debt, keeps them enslaved! All of this information is on the internet. Reseach it yourself!

Consult the following enlightening article: The prison industry in the United States: big business or a new form of slavery? (Granma International):
LINK: www.granma.cu/ingles/2005/octubre/juev13/42carceles.html (http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2005/octubre/juev13/42carceles.html)

AMERICA THE FREE? "The figures show that the United States has locked up more people than any other country: a half million more than China, which has a population five times greater than the U.S. Statistics reveal that the United States holds 25% of the world's prison population, but only 5% of the world's people. From less than 300,000 inmates in 1972, the jail population grew to 2 million by the year 2000." (Granma International) www.mapinc.org (http://www.mapinc.org/) stated these figures, years ago.

Also, the USA has the most laws, rules and regulations than ANY country on Earth! Everyday on the news, it seems that a new law is added. They do it one law at a time, so it doesn't appear as threatening. This is the old frog in a boiling pot analogy. A frog is put into a pot of cold water, on a stove. All seems right, until the water seems to be getting warmer, as the degress go up slowly. Eventually the frog finds himself "in hot water" and it's too late! If the frog was just thrown into hot water (like a lobster), it would've been too obvious! ARTICLE: "American Police State: The Frog Has Cooked, By Paul Joseph Watson/NOV. 29, 2005" www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/291105frogcooked.htm (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2005/291105frogcooked.htm) . "Westerners Do Not React To Slow Threats. Westerners tend not to react to slowly increasing things, but react to rapidly increasing things."-TOM BEARDEN (www.cheniere.org (http://www.cheniere.org/) /Lt. Col. U.S. ARMY-retired) With these obvious facts (check for yourself), I maintain the the USA is the LEAST FREE country on earth!

STATISTICS
"Ninety-seven percent of 125,000 federal inmates have been convicted of non-violent crimes. It is believed that more than half of the 623,000 inmates in municipal or county jails are innocent of the crimes they are accused of. Of these, the majority are awaiting trial. Two-thirds of the one million state prisoners have commited non-violent offenses. Sixteen percent of the country's 2 million prisoners suffer from mental illness." (Granma International)

THE PRISON SCAM (Or the new form of slavery?)
Prisons have become "privatized" and prison factories built, for cheap, slave labor (and resulting huge profits). This is no different than those "sweat shops" in China! It's just done in a more "sneaky" way. QUOTE: "Ten years ago there were only five private prisons in the country, with a population of 2,000 inmates; now, there are 100, with 62,000 inmates. It is expected that by the coming decade, the number will hit 360,000, according to reports." Sell drugs, make tons of money. Imprison people and make tons more of money (through legal fees, lawyers, etc.). Use prisoners as cheap "sweat shop" labor, make tons more money. A simple formula.

THE DRUG/ASSETS-PROPERTY SEIZURE/FORFEITURE LAWS SCAM
Property foreclosures on bankruptcies, and now the drug/assets-property seizure laws. New "businesses" by which the banksters (banker + gangsters) steal from us. All for them, none for us. This is beyond law enforcement, this is pure outright THEIVERY! "By concentrating on seizure, the government is joining in the profits of the illegal drug market-but as an all powerful thief instead of an entrepreneur." Thou shall not steal!

The answer to the question: Why Pot Is Illegal? is simple: Money and control, for power over people. What are the people going to do about it? Keep taking it, or change it? Your choice and destiny. One bitchin' person is easy to arrest or kill. It's done everyday. But with millions, it's much more difficult. There is strength in numbers! The population spurt of the Baby Boomers greatly outnumbers the few. The teens in the 60's and 70's greatly outnumbered the "Establishment" and that scared them!

Read the above book and article (websites) to learn more, This information is by no means new. MANY people know about it, but aren't too vocal about it, because FEAR is the oldest technique to control people, going back thousands of years!

Turn on, tune in and take over!" - Timothy Leary's later version

Love, peace and understanding . . .

yazzer
11-26-2005, 06:44 AM
another reason, the lumber industry would also collape, taking other businesses with it. to make pot legal would change the whole set up of things. wouldn't work to change that law. must be done slooowwwlly. let's cross our fingers for denver everyone!

see hemp can be used for just about everything. scientists are speculating now that it could even be used to make fuel... yes.... let's see what happens.


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And people can't just as easily grow tobacco as weed, yet how many people do you know with tobacco in there gardens?

Moonshine is far from difficult to reproduce, and actualy if they did legalize it they would control MAJORITY of it, because people are lazy(especialy stoners) and would rather buy it than grow it...

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And how much power do cotton farmers have within legislation?

3.
Maybe crazy ass mexicans shouldn't get high and kill/rape people....

yazzer
11-26-2005, 06:50 AM
ok legalise it, I totally agree. But, don't think it is some kind of a miracle weed, i have seen full time chillum smokers, and they do tend to drink a lot..... So, it's not that we'll a enter a new age of peace and no alcolhol........... if we legalise it
so the booze biz won't lose money. it's settled then!

canibis_activis
08-24-2007, 11:17 AM
its illegal becous marijuana would be an motimillion dollar crop, for more info go to why is illegal canabis_activis

BudBill
08-24-2007, 02:31 PM
its illegal becous marijuana would be an motimillion dollar crop, for more info go to why is illegal canabis_activis
Damn my man must be some good stuff you got!

It is already a multi- "MILLION" dollar crop.