Stupid Question...

[ryupower]

Do Muslims believe in the Holy Spirit? I don't think you do, but I'd like to know anyways...

[cabdirazzaq]

Yes we do believe in the holy spirit: It says(interpretation of the meaning):

We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.[Quran]

But the holy spirit is not a part of God, rather the holy spirit refers to angel Gabriel.

[ryupower]

Yes we do believe in the holy spirit: It says(interpretation of the meaning):

We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit.[Quran]

But the holy spirit is not a part of God, rather the holy spirit refers to angel Gabriel. Gabriel?!!

that would mean Jesus and John were both born together with Gabriel inside them, and that Gabriel impregnated Mary...:eek:

Ok, I don't believe that. Gabriel's nothing more than
the Top Messenger angel of God Almighty.

But I'm asking Muslims. So, OK...^^;

[cabdirazzaq]

Gabriel?!!

that would mean Jesus and John were both born together with Gabriel inside them, and that Gabriel impregnated Mary...:eek:

No not at all. As muslims we believe Gabriel only conveyed the good news to her(like you do also) Let me show you the differences:

Christian: Allah(may he be exaled) sends his messanger Gabriel to the blessed woman named Mary , he gives her the news that the holy spirit will give her a son by overshadowing her (hmmm?, I only know of one way to get offspring..)

Muslim: Allah(may he b exalted) sends his messanger Gabriel to the blessed woman named Mary, he gives her the glad tidings of a son, a word from her Creator. The meaning of Christ being the word of Allah(may he be exalted) is simple: "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is[Quran]. The meaning of the word is simply "Be", if the Lord wants something to be done he only commands it and this is how Christ was created.

[ryupower]

No not at all. As muslims we believe Gabriel only conveyed the good news to her(like you do also) Let me show you the differences:

Christian: Allah(may he be exaled) sends his messanger Gabriel to the blessed woman named Mary , he gives her the news that the holy spirit will give her a son by overshadowing her (hmmm?, I only know of one way to get offspring..)

Muslim: Allah(may he b exalted) sends his messanger Gabriel to the blessed woman named Mary, he gives her the glad tidings of a son, a word from her Creator. The meaning of Christ being the word of Allah(may he be exalted) is simple: "It is not befitting to (the majesty of) Allah that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! when He determines a matter, He only says to it, "Be", and it is[Quran]. The meaning of the word is simply "Be", if the Lord wants something to be done he only commands it and this is how Christ was created.
Thst's true. But then, how were John and Jesus BORN with the Holy Spirit inside them? Now what was so special in Islam about Jesus anyways, what does Islam have to say about the Virgin Birth?

[kiss_the_sky]

I thought that in the Quran Mary was having sex with the angel?

And mention, in the Book, Mary; when she retired from her family into an eastern place; and she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; and we sent unto her our spirit; and he took for her the semblance of a well-made man. Said she, 'Verily, I take refuge in the Merciful One from thee, if thou art pious.' Said he, 'I am only a messenger of thy Lord to bestow on thee a pure boy.' Said she, 'How can I have a boy when no man has touched me, and when I am no harlot?' He said, 'Thus says thy Lord, It is easy for Me! and we will make him a sign unto man, and a mercy from us; for it is a decided matter.'
So she conceived him, and she retired with him into a remote place. And the labour pains came upon her at the trunk of a palm tree, and she said, 'O that I had died before this, and been forgotten out of mind!' and he called to her from beneath her 'Grieve not, for thy Lord has placed a stream beneath thy feet, and shake towards thee the trunk of the palm tree, it will drop upon thee fresh dates fit to gather; so eat, and drink, and cheer thine eye; and if thou shouldst see any mortal say, "Verily, I have vowed to the Merciful One a fast, and I will not speak to-day with a human being."'
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)

But perhaps I understand wrong, I don't know too much about the Quran.

[cabdirazzaq]

I thought that in the Quran Mary was having sex with the angel?

And mention, in the Book, Mary; when she retired from her family into an eastern place; and she took a veil (to screen herself) from them; and we sent unto her our spirit; and he took for her the semblance of a well-made man. Said she, 'Verily, I take refuge in the Merciful One from thee, if thou art pious.' Said he, 'I am only a messenger of thy Lord to bestow on thee a pure boy.' Said she, 'How can I have a boy when no man has touched me, and when I am no harlot?' He said, 'Thus says thy Lord, It is easy for Me! and we will make him a sign unto man, and a mercy from us; for it is a decided matter.'
So she conceived him, and she retired with him into a remote place. And the labour pains came upon her at the trunk of a palm tree, and she said, 'O that I had died before this, and been forgotten out of mind!' and he called to her from beneath her 'Grieve not, for thy Lord has placed a stream beneath thy feet, and shake towards thee the trunk of the palm tree, it will drop upon thee fresh dates fit to gather; so eat, and drink, and cheer thine eye; and if thou shouldst see any mortal say, "Verily, I have vowed to the Merciful One a fast, and I will not speak to-day with a human being."'
(The Qur'an (E.H. Palmer tr), Sura 19 - Mary)

But perhaps I understand wrong, I don't know too much about the Quran.
Nope. Look at the verses, the angel is only bringing her the news and she becomes suprised. If she had sex than she wouldnt had been called "chaste" on so many different occasions in the Quran. We believe she conceived her child without a human or heavenly father.

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.[Q 3.59]

[gnrm23]

jesus is revered in islam as a prophet second only to muhammed...
(most especially for his spot-on prediction of the destruction the the temple at the hands of the romans, about 30 years after his crucifixion...)


"muhammeda rasul l'illah"

[kiss_the_sky]

Nope. The angel only brought her the good news. If she did have sex she wouldnt have been called chaste in the Quran in so many different occasions.
We believe she conceived her son without the help from a human/or non human being.

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.[Q 3.59]

kissthesky, Im suprised, I didnt think you knew the Koran
Okay thanks, I was just wondering :)

[kiss_the_sky]

kissthesky, Im suprised, I didnt think you knew the Koran
Only a bit, but I try to learn more. Some thinks are very familiar to me but other things I really have to get used to.

[ryupower]

Nope. Look at the verses, the angel is only bringing her the news and she becomes suprised. If she had sex than she wouldnt had been called "chaste" on so many different occasions in the Quran. We believe she conceived her child without a human or heavenly father.

The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him: "Be". And he was.[Q 3.59]

hmmm...so if the Holy Spirit's an angel, why can he be blasphemed? Blasphemy's claiming you're God....:confused: