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nirgal
06-10-2004, 12:20 AM
And
For no reason
I start skipping like a child.

And
For no reason
I turn into a leaf
That is carried so high
I kiss the sun's mouth
And dissolve.

And
For no reason
A thousand birds
Choose my head for a conference table,
Start passing their
Cups of wine
And their wild songbooks all around.

And
For every reason in existence
I begin to eternally,
To eternally laugh and love!

When I turn into a leaf
And start dancing,
I run to kiss our beautiful Friend
And I dissolve in the Truth
That I Am.

Hafiz/ Trans. Ladinsky

HoneySuckleBlue
06-10-2004, 04:55 AM
I love that.

Do you ever look back on being a child and how things happened for no reason...and then when you get older you start to realise that there were always reasons?

nirgal
06-10-2004, 01:12 PM
...and a bit later on, find that all the reasons, are the same reason which is no reason at all..... full circle :)

HoneySuckleBlue
06-10-2004, 01:42 PM
It's amazing we accomplish anything at all!

...or do we?

nirgal
06-10-2004, 01:51 PM
Is there anything to accomplish, except the attempt? :p

From: 'The Direct Path' Andrew Harvey

The "Sublime Joke'' of the Journey

Knowing that we are looking for something we already have
and are
does not, of course, mean that the journey is
unnecessary, only that there is a vast and sublime joke
waiting to be discovered at its end.

HoneySuckleBlue
06-10-2004, 01:59 PM
I would like to hear more on this as I am just begining the stage when you wonder why you go on...it all seems so futile...but somewhere in you, you know it can't be because after all life is what you make it.

nirgal
06-10-2004, 02:14 PM
I think or feel, it's because there is nowhere to go. No ultimate right or wrong because one exsists only relative to the other.....so they are the same......


The Pivot - Chuang-tzu


Tao is obscured when men understand only one of a pair of opposites, or concentrate only on a partial aspect of being. Then clear expression also becomes muddled by mere wordplay, affirming this one aspect and denying the rest. Hence the wrangling of Confucians and Mohists; each denies what the other affirms, and affirms what the other denies. What use is this struggle to set up "No" against "Yes," and "Yes" against "No"? Better to abandon this hopeless effort and seek true light!

There is nothing that cannot be seen from the standpoint of the "Not-I." And there is nothing which cannot be seen from the standpoint of the "I." If I begin by looking at anything from the viewpoint of the "Not-I," then I do not really see it, since it is "not I" that sees it. If I begin from where I am and see it as I see it, then it may also become possible for me to see it as another sees it. Hence the theory of reversal that opposites produce each other, depend on each other, and complement each other.

However this may be, life is followed by death; death is followed by life. The possible becomes impossible; the impossible becomes possible. Right turns into wrong and wrong into right - the flow of life alters circumstances and thus things themselves are altered in their turn. But disputants continue to affirm and deny the same things they have always affirmed and denied, ignoring the new aspects of reality presented by the change in conditions.

The wise man therefore, instead of trying to prove this or that point by logical disputation, sees all things in the light of direct intuition. He is not imprisoned by the limitations of the "I," for the viewpoint of direct intuition is that of both "I" and "Not-I." Hence he sees that on both sides of every argument there is both right and wrong. He also sees that in the end they are reducible to the same thing, once they are related to the pivot of the Tao.

When the wise man grasps this pivot, he is in the center of the circle, and there he stands while "Yes" and "No" pursue each other around the circumference.

The pivot of Tao passes through the center where all affirmations and denials converge. He who grasps the pivot is at the still-point from which all movements and oppositions can be seen in their right relationship. Hence he sees the limitless possibilities of both "Yes" and "No." Abandoning all thought of imposing a limit or taking sides, he rests in direct intuition. Therefore I said: "Better to abandon disputation and seek the true light!"



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http://www.allspirit.co.uk/index.html

HoneySuckleBlue
06-10-2004, 04:49 PM
I really like the taoist perspective. My first introduction to it was through the Tao of Science and was just tickled to find that there could be the Tao of anything really...wish I had more depth to add to this but the last week I've been feeling very empty.